Not only do I think non-incarcerated felons should have the right to vote, I think currently incarcerated should as well. Hell, set up a voting location in the prison.
That’s how it works in most civilised countries.
That’s how it works in
mostcivilised countries.I added the qualifier mainly because of New Zealand. AFAIK the country has otherwise its shit together.
New Zealand also lets the team down by allowing medical advertising. IRC it’s the only country other than the US with prescription medical advertising.
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They’d like you to think that. Truth is there’s even less „checks and balances“ there than the already paper thin ones in the US. The courts have no teeth with the government and it’s a effectively unicameral system. Theoretically the King has executive power but he would never step in. Prisoners not being able to vote has been ruled by the courts to be against the Bill of Rights and they were just ignored.
Even better, let’s stop doing prisons
Certainly cutting back 9 out of 10 prisons is a good idea. I don’t object to the idea that there is a certain amount of people who need to be removed for their own and the public’s safety.
But is a prison really where someone like that should go/it should be called? I would argue those people should be in a mental asylum, not what we have as prisons today (though today’s mental asylums aren’t necessarily more humane)
Something like Norway’s system is ideal imo
I mean, if responding to my comment about removing some people for “their own safety,” then sure, there are better places that prisons.
But really what I was saying is there are people who do and will continue to be violent toward others, and prisons probably are the right place for them.
But I’m in full agreement that the US incarcerates far far too many people that don’t fit into that description.
But jail has to be the last resort not the first one.
I’d settle for getting rid of for profit ones
Start with getting rid of private prisons, and then go from there
It is legal in most states for non felons to vote from prison/jail, of course some states make it difficult.
Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but there are no non-felons in prison. But there are those in county jails awaiting trial who are not yet convicted (or will be found not guilty) of a crime, and your point is an important one.
If we want to get too technical there are some states that place people that commit certain misdemeanors in prison as opposed to jails.
It’s not the majority, but it does happen.
Especially since those states are counting those prisoners among the residents in the census.
The entire fucking point is to get the benefits for those additional people, while not having to worry about them voting (likely against the people who put them there)
Important distinction, the census counts the prisoners as residents of the county in which the prison sits. The prisoners are almost always already residents of the state. It’s called prison gerrymandering, and it unfairly advantages the county and districts in which the prisons lie, almost always rural and almost always to Republican advantage.
In Canada, currently incarcerated people are allowed to vote by special ballot
In the US, slavery is legal for prisoners. The US has the largest prison population in the world. This is not a coincidence.
How come I can’t tell the difference between this slavery, and normal work?
From a Billionaire’s perspective, a millionaire is a pauper. A regular working person might as well be a slave. They work hard for much of their lives for pennies, and are terrified THAT will go away.
And modern wage slavery also carries the improved advantage that the employer no longer has to provide housing, food, or medical care. The slaves have to pay for all that out of their pennies.
We’re ALL already slaves.
Oh. Work is the same. But as a prisoner you get even less money. Between 0,12dollars and 1,41.
https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/inmate-prison-work-pay-united-states-6b540f
So the main difference between slavery and work is you get paid less, and don’t have the option of being permanently unemployed and homeless.
Are you being for real right now?
You are aware that the thirteenth amendment (the one that abolishes slavery) explicitly allows for slavery to continue “as punishment”.
This isn’t like some weird leftist take, slavery is quite literally legal in US prisons.
Oh, sorry Claude, forgot you don’t understand words.
Love when the username checks out!
And not having the right to say “fuck you” to the boss and leave.
I don’t get why my comment is so disliked, I don’t feel I said anything controversial, I’m basically just saying that modern day work is slavery.
Any government that can financially profit from its prisoners also has an incentive to imprison more of its population.
Well, the government isn’t profiting from it. Its the people running the government who are invested in private prison companies are personally profiting from it. Along with their golf buddies running said companies.
Privately run prisons as a for profit business is a crime against humanity.
The government would have got a payday when they sold off the prisons in the first place.
Perhaps. But I think many of the private prisons are either built from the ground up by the corporations, or the buildings are still owned by the government, but the companies are paid to operate them for the government.
Or wars.
An imprisoned felon has no voice, but a free felon can be president.
More fun facts, slavery is still legal in the USA (for prisoners) and the USA imprisons a higher proportion of its population than any other country. The ruling class just makes everything illegal and enjoys unlimited slave labor!
More non violent prisoners behind bars than any country to ever exist!
They intend to greatly increase the use of prisoner slave labor, and will be using it to punish political prisoners they have labeled ANTIFA terrorists, just for posting messages like this one.
They want to identify everyone on the Internet, not so they can keep children from learning that boys and girls have different genitalia, but so they can find the ANTIFA Terrorists, imprison them, take away their right to vote, and then lease them out to Sociopathic Oligarchs for whatever dangerous, unregulated work they need done - mining, environmental clean-up, construction, roadwork, crop harvesting, etc.
All those jobs that immigrants used to do? ANTIFA Terrorists can do them.
Currently it depends on the state/district.
https://legalclarity.org/in-what-states-can-felons-vote-state-by-state-laws/
Only the District of Columbia, Maine, and Vermont allow people with felony convictions to vote at all times, including while serving time in prison
Good for Trump that DC is on the list, otherwise he should have trouble voting.
Yet another reason to move to Vermont some day
One of the many ways in which those in power in the US systematically enslave and disenfranchise people of color to this day.
If anyone needs representation, it’s prisoners.
red states use prisoners as part of the census, so they can maintain the gop house seats in thier states.
I’ll upvote Lee Carter tweet screenshots all day long.
Switch to Scientific Socialism. Problem solved.
Also quit letting any 2bit idiot have a say on what the country’s policies are unless they’re qualified to be in that conversation.
Switch to Scientific Socialism.
I was bracing for a CCP shill here tbh. Had is in the first half XD
China isn’t Scientific Socialism. Hell its not even real socialism to begin with, its just fascist-capitalism with a nice coat of socialism paint over it.
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As long as the electoral college exists, voting is meaningless.
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MAGAs looking to make trump derangement syndrome a mental illness.
mark someone as mentally unstable > hall them of to an asylum > drug or kill them under wraps
america has no idea what its dealing with.
