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Legitimately the Internet was a better place before conservatives figured out how to use it.
so…never?
just because they weren’t old boomers doesn’t mean the nazi 14 yr olds were somehow not conservatives. If you could find any of the old longbeards from early unix forums and asked them their opinions on minorities I’m sure you’d get fun responses. They were always here, the difference is that they didn’t feel legitimized.
“Legitimately the Internet was a better place before …” it became more like TV and a corporate shopping mall, and less like a Library and a village fair.
“We aren’t really being persecuted, but imagine we were? Wow, that feels bad. That bad feeling justifies anything we want to do.”
The conservative thought process in a nutshell.
fascist*
conservative are christian democrats (in the US a close equivalent would be Rockefeller Reps), à la Charlie Baker. Those are the real Reps. Trumpists and the like are RINOs.
a conservative is interested in keeping things as is, stable, favouring democracy (even if imperfect). They prefer to avoid a perceived ‘haste’ in change, but do not outright oppose it.
a fascist opposes both; they above all break down labour rights and align with the reactionary, irresponsible bourgeoise, rather than the proletariat whose labour they employ. Fascism favours the radical change into militarism to enforce its will, rather than building bridges through dialogue.
The dems in America are a lot closer to what conservatism classically is than republicans have been in over 50 years.
ike was the last of his kind. the civil rights acts of the 1960s broke the republican party… voter rights, desegregation… they could not (and still cannot) handle those people being equal. the ‘modern’ republican party is defined by their hatred.
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Calling myself rich won’t make me rich.
Love how this myth keeps being repeated
I love how billionaires act like they’re arguing on behalf of the people they fleece, like they’re all in it together. It’s like a game of Lemmings. The ruling class leads them with rage bait and lies, and then walks them off a cliff when they’re done with them.
Working class people that think they’re in the big money club is as sad as it gets.
Also most of them defend billionaires fiercely. Its scary how easily so many people can be brainwashed with propaganda.
Yep. Well put.
Reminds also of the tactic of tacking totalitarianwards/tyrannywards, where identification on economics, or inconsequential cultural identifications, are played against each other, each professing to be the freedom side, and proclaiming the other the authoritarian side, while really the two sides both professing and proclaiming the other way, are in cahoots, and the sides they present, keep those identifying with the sides, fighting each other. Like the more libertarian left hoodwinked by the authoritarian left telling the libertarian left that the authoritarian left are just like them, the libertarian left, and that all the right are the authoritarians to fear. And the same on the other side, the authoritarian right telling the more libertarian right that the authoritarian right are just like them, the libertarian right, and that [classic Mc’Carthian redscare con here:] the left are all the authoritarians to fear. And then to hide this, placations are loudly given, each side, ((at least) professing to) return a freedom, “personal” or “economic”, depending on which side, while simultaneously quietly taking away two freedoms of the other ilk. The other side repeats this. Cons their side that they care, and are the strongman saviour you need to protect you against the other side’s rampant scary authoritarianism. Back and forth it goes, tacking to totalitarianism and tyranny, for so long as we keep falling for it, keep identifying with these 1-bit binary groujpthink identifications of “left” and “right” with ignorance of the con. I say, lets stop falling for it.
“You and I are not in the big club.” – George Carlin.
The internet has become so much less angry in the last few days since I rigorously block everyone arguing in bad faith, reich-wingers and lemmy.ml
Or that Garfield comic where on one side you got the grey Garfield toxically arguing a lot with people on Shitter, versus Garfield simply blocking.
I disagree people need to understand each other. On the other hand toxic right wing misinformation? That can go fuck itself and its creators lol.
On the other hand toxic right wing misinformation? That can go fuck itself
That’s what they said, “right wing content”.
The only measure by which “we need police to protect people from criminals” is less toxic than “we need to stop migration to preserve the white race” is how palatable it is to centrists. Both promote causing harm to millions of people while pretending to be necessary for the safety of you and me, tricking people into supporting egregious violence against vulnerable minorities.
I’m not your mom, I can’t tell you how to resolve your cognitive dissonance, but the boundary you’re proposing is merely a popularity contest.
This is the kind of toxic content I was referring to yes. People can claim to be leftist and generate toxic misinformation, people can also be conservative but go on about their lives while respecting others. You may not be my mom but you definitely need one.
Also I should probably note, I don’t feel like discussing the distinction between these two with a person who enters the topic with insults. So have fun running around by yourself.
Any toxic information.
100% agreed, only said conservative because of the topic but toxic left misinformation should also go fuck itself and its creator
But conservatives use that considerably more than leftists. Almost all of the conservative thought are based on misinformation.
It is my feeling that people who are not really left wing or right wing themselves make misinformation content aimed at right wing - extreme right wing audience. Don’t get me wrong, fuck extreme right wings and beat a Nazi but people producing these content are either generally grifters or have some agenda they want to achieve via distrupting social order. So agree most disinformation campaigns of our decade target right wing and conservatives. Doesn’t mean it rings with every conservative, I know from personal friends that it does not.
Imagine US Education where the lunatic writings of Dennis Prager isn’t part of the curriculum.
Imagine a world where the people were smart enough to not put conservative content out into the world
Ummm… isn’t that called a dictatorship?
it’d be bad, really bad.
Online Censorship is always really bad and this’ll just lead to more issues and echo chambers
Except they’re he censorship party, not their opponents, so the only way this could be true is if they stop posting content. Utopia
Censorship of unwanted/unpopular opinions is a bipartisan issue.
Hmmm, reminds me of something… oh, yeah!
Imagine all the people living life in peace
fedi
Just stay completely in the walls of any Lemmy or piefed instance.
That is exactly why im here. You dont need to sell me twice.
Sure, if you want to pass Physics I while only studying from a heavy and voluminous book.
Why’s that guy trying to get us to manifest his absence from our view?
On some level, he knows what he does is wrong, but cannot help himself. …And so, this is his cry for help?
Poor fool, apparently knows no other tool but the hammer, only questions which direction to swing it, and didn’t question even that very much at all. Unthinkable to him, to cease wielding that hammer, and start to learn about other tools. … Then maybe they’d be out of the redscare psyop’s conflation; out of the authoritarian opposame; out of the arrogant naive-realist presumption; out of the agnotologically abused co-perpetration that he points his finger at, oblivious to the three pointing back.
Pesky adhominous strawmen division-sowing groupthink-calcifying asset-agents.
I’d rather imagine a world without neither censorship diktats nor vapid inane poorly-veiled reverse-psychology gambits to induce groupthink. Y’know, free speech, and no terrorism. … Terrorism, y’know, the application of terror for political gain. Like alluding to some scary slippery slope dystopian scenario to get people to conform to your political agenda. No matter how ineptly done, ~ or even, not inept, and works exactly as intended, strengthening the in-group’s shared dogma and fear of the other, and keeping the other, the out-group, contemptuous of the sins of the in-group, which only furthers the division, eases the conquer, playing group vs group… while the crooks continue to run a muck. This is no time for falling for pitchforks vs torches. No time for falling for the divisive scams from such scammers and agents.
“conservative content”.
Conserve what?
Is a question more can benefit from asking any time anyone tries to induce you to their groupthink with this enticing pitcherplant of a Rorschach test.
Then maybe fewer would fall for it.
