There seems to be a clear pattern of negative posts about the BBC. Certain accounts are at it on a daily basis. I find myself wondering why.

Some motives for such behaviour I could think of are:

  • The BBC wrote a story that hurt them
  • Reporting did not reinforce their world view
  • They expected the BBC to be perfect and inevitable failures to meet that standard lead to disappointment
  • They found the style of reporting annoying
  • Perhaps some reporters were annoying

I’m sure that list is nowhere near exhaustive as my imagination is rather limited.

A cynic might think that something deeper is going on, for example, a systematic campaign to erode trust in the BBC. Perhaps such a campaign is not just limited to feddit.uk communities, as mightily influential as they are, and could be happening across social media.

Such a cynical person might further wonder what groups, organisations, or perhaps even states with well resourced intelligence organisations might want to mount such a campaign.

I’m not a cynic, and as mentioned don’t have much of an imagination, so such thoughts don’t even cross my mind.

I’m simply wondering why some people hate the BBC so much. For me it, with all its failings, is one of the best public broadcasting organisations in the world.

  • The BBC’s coverage on certain issues (asylum seekers, trans, disability, etc) has been inexcusably bad and has been for a while. I think it’s perfectly fair to hold the public broadcaster to a high standard. The Tories were able to stuff the BBC with their people and the quality of their journalism has plummeted since, the whole thing needs serious reform and Labour don’t seem interested in doing it.

    I’m not a cynic, and as mentioned don’t have much of an imagination, so such thoughts don’t even cross my mind.

    You wrote them out, so the thoughts clearly did cross your mind? I don’t even know why you’re trying to deflect this, it’s not unreasonable to think foreign intelligence would try to undermine trust in the BBC, they’d be dumb not to.

    But again, those doing the most to undermine trust in the BBC are the people the Tories put in charge of it.

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      The BBC’s coverage on certain issues (asylum seekers, trans, disability, etc) has been inexcusably bad and has been for a while.

      When I compare the BBC and for example The Guardian reporting on such topics to, say, The Telegraph and any of the trash tabloids I see a big difference. The latter quite often push an agenda or try to engineer rage engagement, whereas the former don’t.

      I think a much bigger problem and the root cause for how BBC reporting comes across in the kinds of topics you mention is the abysmal quality of political discourse in the UK. Too many bigots have gained too many supporters, which has given them too loud a megaphone.

      I don’t think it is the BBC’s or any other journalistic organisation’s job to take that megaphone away. Their job is to report facts and ensure countering perspectives are being aired on all important topics.

      I think it’s perfectly fair to hold the public broadcaster to a high standard.

      I agree. For me the standard I expect is reporting facts and different perspectives so that I gain information and can make up my own mind.

      … quality of their journalism has plummeted since, the whole thing needs serious reform …

      Here I disagree with you, although perhaps only on the seriousness of the situation. Any big organisation will have aspects that need reform, including the BBC. I don’t agree that their journalism would have plummeted substantially. It is the political discourse that has gone to the gutters.

      You wrote them out, so the thoughts clearly did cross your mind? I don’t even know why you’re trying to deflect this, it’s not unreasonable to think foreign intelligence would try to undermine trust in the BBC, they’d be dumb not to.

      I can see that I should have added /s to that and couple of other points in my post.

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        Too many bigots have gained too many supporters

        How did they get so much support? In no small part it is because they were promoted on the BBC.

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    Because the BBC is fucking shit? It’s government propaganda disguised as an independent impartial broadcaster.

    Yes it makes some good content with some good talent that may make you laugh but institutionally it’s anti Scottish, pro Palestinian genocide, downplays climate change to almost denial, and uses false balance to push the Overton window rightward.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC#History

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC#Controversies

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_controversies

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_independence

    You need read any one of those Wikipedia articles to find a list of reasons for disliking the BBC. I recommend starting at the beginning though and going with History first of all.

  • I’m negative about the BBC because of persistent bias in their reporting caused as a result of the Tories replacing the majority of board and senior positions with their cronies.

    Academic studies have shown they have a clear bias in their political reporting. They deflect the criticism by having left leaning comedians which is not exactly a counterweight.

    It’s structurally rotten and I refuse to pay the TV licence while it is so.

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    their biased reporting on the Israeli genocide of Palestine is enough to question the accuracy of any news they report. You don’t need to report too many lies before you lose all credibility.

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    I’m glad we have the BBC and I follow its news, but it has its problems and deserves criticism on some fronts.

    Not an exhaustive list by any means but it’s very prone to legitimising harmful attitudes by false equivalence, and it’s very TERFy/transphobic.

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      it has its problems and deserves criticism on some fronts

      I agree. I don’t have any problem with the BBC being criticised. What I do have a problem with is how intellectually shallow and borderline childish such criticism often is, as is evident in many of the other comments.

      prone to legitimising harmful attitudes by false equivalence

      I don’t see that in their journalism. I see them reporting countering perspectives on topics.

      it’s very TERFy/transphobic

      I would attribute the fault to the current political climate, not the BBC.

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    maybe someone has grown up and realized that the BBC is just as much a propaganda machine as the rest. who knows what their reasons are.

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      I tend to engage with comments I deem worth engaging with. Yours probably is not worth engaging with either, but hey, for the lols.

      Regrding claims about BBC being Zionist, brushing genocide under the carpet, etc I say this. I have seen several reports on the BBC covering IDF killing Palestinians, using food shortages as a weapon of war, and committing other war crimes. That observation does not align with many such bias claims.

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        Well you ignored 3 separate articles detailing how the BBC’s complicity in Genocide, saying that you’d only consider academic articles in particular. Then once I provided 2 academic articles on the subject in addition to the others, no response. It comes off like you’re more interested in bias confirmation than in investigation

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    I think you have your answer. The bias towards Israel, and the transphobia are writ large in this thread.
    These have been well documented, and on their own render opposition to BBC news reporting a perfectly reasonable position to hold.

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    As a long-time radio nerd and devotee of the various BBC radio networks, I have to draw a thick, thick line between BBC broadcast and BBC news.

    The news side of things is hateful. Jiving away in the kitchen to Craig Charles’ Funk & Soul show, having a good time, then BOOM! a news headline about what Reform will do when they’re in power. There’s no reason to parrot those awful racist pricks, and they’re are far more important stories, but BBC news thinks this is what we should hear. Literally the only time I ever hear about ‘small boats’ is when BBC news takes the time to tell me about how many of them there are while I’m trying to enjoy some good radio.

    The BBC isn’t perfect, I know this. But you only have to compare British and American broadcasting to see that it’s pretty much the only thing stopping our TV and radio from becoming the same level of dog shit as they have in the States.

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    I dont have trust in the bbc as an impartial reporter of the news. I dont believe any one outlet could ever achieve that accolade or should be treated as a singular gospel source of truth. They are just one provider and a balanced view of the world needs reading across providers, party lines and preconceptions.

    I think they deserve criticism and challenge but not to be singled out for such or expected to achieve unrealistic goals.

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      Only a fool or a cultist will trust a single source. A balanced view does indeed need being open to multiple perspectives, and trying to recognise agendas behind what is being reported.

  • The BBC as a whole is great. The news programming though…

    It’s admittedly still one of the better ones - and on non-political reporting is probably still fairly trustworthy, but it’s been shifting further and further right for the last 15 years, to the point where it’s just embarrassing to pretend they’re anywhere near balanced these days. It spends an awful lot of time promoting Nigel Farage for something which is pretending to be impartial.

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        Perhaps - though the comedy, drama, radio, documentaries etc are mostly still fairly “centre to centre left” - it’s mostly just the news reporting.

        It often seems like the “shift in society” has been manufactured, and that that the BBC have been part of this manufacture - and that shift is really just a change in boldness, volume and support - people are loud and proud about hating people over race or gender etc.

        I feel a far larger part of the shift was when the Tories threatened the BBC with funding cuts, cancellation and “sharing the licence fee with poor impoverished media tycoons like Rupert Murdoch” unless they removed their “left wing bias” (actually central bias at the time) and starting promoting a “balanced” (actually right to far-right) viewpoint. This was accompanied by sacking and replacing key staff members with their own right-promoting appointees.

        That’s continued and got worse - they’ve spent much of the last decade promoting the voices of increasingly extreme right-wing viewpoints, and either silencing, mocking or generating controversy about any minor centre or left-wing viewpoints.

        None of those people changed when the government did, so it’s stayed in the right and possibly drifted even further. Remember that in terms of many of its social policies, our current Labour government is more right wing than Cameron’s Tory government was.

  • I came back to provide you the longer list of academic studies I mentioned in the earlier reply (there’s about 3 or 4 dozen without counting them), however having skimmed through this thread I don’t think there’s any point.

    If you actually want to to understand (I’m fairly confident from your comments you actually were seeking validation not understanding) then you need to first read up on what the different biases are

    • Partisan balance — are parties/campaigns given proportionate airtime and equivalent challenge?
    • Source and ideological range — whose voices are treated as authoritative (think tanks, economists, business, unions)?
    • Framing — what is treated as the natural or common-sense way to describe an issue (e.g. the deficit as a household budget)?
    • Institutional political economy — how governance, charter renewal, funding and recruitment shape output over decades.

    Then look up how those biases evidence themselves - others have referenced things like “Israelis are murdered but Palestinians are killed” (diminishes the impact of the same act) , a missile from Hamas is a “terrorist attack on settlers” but a missile from the IDF is “retaliation for attacks” (one is valid one is not) etc etc.

    Or for economic takes person A on a panel will be introduced as “economist A Jones” (unmentioned they are employed think tank funded by billionaires to push their interests) and the other person will be “spokeperson for left wing think tank” (unmentioned that they’re an academic, with more academic prizes than they have letters in their name). Credibility deliberately watered down.

    Or even just the most egregious blatant one - Reform on every BBC panel known to man despite 5 seats (and none before the 2024 election when he was even more ubiquitous) and the Lib Dems with 65 rarely getting a look in, let alone SNP who have more seats and the Greens who have similar. Yes there was a brief moment where tearing Starmer down meant Polanski got a few appearances (still not proportional to Reform), but have you noticed that’s disappeared as the Greens voters are currently warily positive about Burnham so it doesn’t undermine Labour to have him on.

    Etc etc. It goes on constantly. It’s blatant, so blatant I have dozens of academic papers on it and yet you’re on here saying you only “engage with comments I deem worth engaging with” - cool but don’t bitch when everyone tells you your self perception of being reasonable and attempting to understand is utter self serving bullshit.

    TL;DR you don’t perceive bias at the BBC because either a) their bias aligns with your world view so it is not noticeable and/or b) you don’t understand the subject well enough to know you dont understand (Dunning Kruger).

    I see this a lot in engineers who think that their domain expertise makes them an expert on everything

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      Thank you for taking the time to share thoughtful and informative perspectives. It is rather different from compared to many other commenters.

      I’m not sure at what point I was bitching, but OK. Quite why you felt the need to hurl insults my way at the end of your post is a mystery, but not unexpected here.

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    Uk seems to hate itself, the idea that you begrudge the tv license but pay for American shot is beyond me.

    BBC is opppsing trump in A spectacular British fashion