And it only got worse.

(This was posted before Musk bought Twitter and before the full-on invasion of Ukraine)

  • protist ( protist@retrofed.com ) 
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    I told my mom (78) a yesterday about how I was talking to my son (8) about climate change. She said “But he’s only 8!” I said “This will affect his entire life, and already is, because it’s so hot he can’t have recess outside.” Politically, she’s no Republican, and she hates Trump, but she still struggles to piece together that we know what’s causing climate change and how to stop it.

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    That silent generation (and anyone born before the 1940s who was alive then) really repressed all the shit that happened to them so thoroughly that there are like 40 years of people that just don’t understand suffering. I was watching some of the ww2 propaganda that the Looney Tunes people made and nothing was clearer than the fact that those people were tired of shit happening and knew their luck was about to turn. They didn’t proceed to take the necessary steps of explaining to their kids what actually happened to them and how it came to occur.

    Someone born in 1900 would have also experienced oligarchy, economic downturns, environmental disasters at scale, and a pandemic (plus 2 fucking world wars) by their 40s

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      The existence of Farage and Trump as political figures is largely dependent on the ignorance you refer to. It’s so frustrating that the lessons learned through hardship just simply are forgotten.

      It is very similar to (moderate) wealth. The first generation earns it and the second generation spends it, ignorant of the effort it took to create it. (Dad and mom started a business and worked 60 hour weeks for 35 years, the kids don’t want the business, and by the end of their life, the kids have spent their inheritance).

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      I used to seek out old people as a kid. I’d go play bridge with them, ask them about their lives. It took a long time for them to really open up, but they did. They looked at me with this pity. I didn’t understand until much later.

  • One time when I was working retail, I had an elderly man tell me about how sad he was that the ocean is warming and the corals and dolphins are dying. Then he took a bottle of peach flavored weed gummies out of his pocket and told me how happy he was that it finally got legalized. That guy was cool. I wish more old people were like him.

  • “I do not wish to seem overdramatic but I can only conclude from the information that is available to me as Secretary-General that the Members of the United Nations have perhaps ten years left in which to subordinate their ancient quarrels and launch a global partnership to curb the arms race, to improve the human environment, to defuse the population explosion, and to supply the required momentum to development efforts. If such a global partnership is not forged within the next decade, then I very much fear that the problems I have mentioned will have reached such staggering proportions that they will be beyond our capacity to control.”

    U Thant, former secretary-general of the UN, in 1969

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        Yeah but at the same time, each nuke that is left is much more capable, both in usability (range, speed, accuracy, …) and power. The overall explosive force is still lower than it was but I’d argue the atomic powers could cause as much destruction now than at the height of the cold war.

        The big difference is that all the McArthurs that lived in a time of blanked bombardments as a first strike are no longer alive. Nobody in charge today wants to throw nukes (Except Holden Bloodfeast).

    • Aatube ( Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      i mean, we did do that back then. everybody got social safety nets, the berlin wall fell as certainly one way to end an arms race, the nations united against the ozone hole. but now we’re past another 1969 with gaza as our new vietnam

  • Freedom isn’t what they are offering, they offer escapism. And because everyone is just escaping, no one is living for reality. And even the dramas and politics are an escapist distraction sometimes, even if its sold as progression.

    The foundation society built is not proper foundation, it’s not based on coexistence with the law of the universe. Because of this it requires constant patching and wars to maintain its reality.

    I used to be an atheist and I still don’t trust organized religion is true religion, but the teachings of the ancients and of Jesus were the teachings of coexisting with natural law of the universe. Even organized religion manipulated the message for control of society.

    We are the working cattle, we are an asset to the farm. The farmer is the nations. The farmer is offering service to be used by the wealthy for whatever they want. They purchase the farm (nation) and utilize the working cattle (citizens) to fullfil an ideology or agenda that is not in coexistence with natural law of the universe, but instead the animalistic urges of a uncontrolled human greed.

    Humanity is owned. We actively funded and worked our entire lives for people that don’t care about our species. And I say that on higher level than most think. I think anyone with good intentions specifically gets manipulated and the only thing allowed is loyalty to those that own humanity or complete obliviousness to reality to the point one just consumes and works for the owners.

    My thoughts is that this is going to get worse as modern tech, ai, surveillance, profiling, etc advances. It’s like there’s a nuclear arms race to get this infrastructure in place. Like the first nation to build a nation of complete algorithmic constant automated profiling in order to maintain complete loyalty to the “owners” wins the arms race and then other nations will buy the tech. And like I said earlier the people that use the nations as a service will then own the future and path of humanity completely even if they are still offering us the illusion of choice and freedom. Our choices will be made by the algorithms to pin point our psychology specifically so that we fall in line with a life path that isn’t authentically ours. This isn’t even knew, it’s been being done on an analog and primitively digital level for a very long time and is probably why we are where we are now as society.

    There are a lot of causes to fight for, but I think what I’ve said above is the main foundation of that allows the bad to happen.

    I think that a method of control is to distract people by egging people on to join the fight of these different causes, instead of fighting the foundation that allows the growth of the bad. This separates and divides people and make it easier for the “owners” to control society away from fixing the true cause.

    I think there’s something else to say about this. When one truly understands this it equalizes people, like the military guy is the same as the homeless guy, the politician is the same as the blue color dad. Because we are all just assets for someone to abuse. Based off all the social drama in the past it’s clear this is an unwanted understanding and anything will be done to convince people to emotionally react to manufactured drama created to divide us.

    Our news media is owned by the Owners, Indy media and social media sees the news media and gets caught in the drama, and then you have people thinking they are fighting for good because an independent outlet gave them the info, but it’s born from the same manufactured drama that is artificially marketed and created to sow division to keep us from understanding all that I said above.

    Another debate is that if people understood this they wouldn’t work. They would just be lazy. But that’s just another false idea used to manipulate people to stay abused for the growth of someone else’s artificial unatural agenda that exists against the laws of the universe. People don’t want to work for something that has no connection from the universe to there soul. I’m not saying people wouldn’t work in warehouses anymore or anything like that either. In a way the idea is kind of like we are purposely cut off from a connection to the true power of God/universe so that we will seek it from the artificial Owners. Now that I say it, thats the same idea as gnosticism and Jesus’ original teachings and the gospels they buried. That’s why they invented priests to “communicate” to “God” for us, to cut us off from the natural source.

    • schmorp ( schmorpel@slrpnk.net ) 
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      Exchange Jesus for Gaia, Ana, Landscape and I’m entirely with you. Although I’m still puzzled as to who are the owners - who keeps the electric fence and shiny distractions in place? The term egregore comes to mind, out of control mindforms. I don’t know. What is your way of handling this?

      • My way of handling this, lol…

        I’m barely a part of normal society anymore. I just watch all that’s happening and think too much about it. I’m probably going to end up dead or homeless. I think generally this is what happens to people that live for truth. And I think it’s one of the reasons for the homeless epidemic, it’s not just junkies out there. It’s like a genocide forcing those that don’t have complete loyalty out to the fringes. I don’t fit the mass marketed lifestyles they seem to manipulate and consolidate people into, so I’m not allowed to participate until I submit. But submitting feels like its giving in to the worst of sins which effect humanity negatively.

        I kind of think USA at least, is too far gone.

        That’s probably not what you wanted to hear.

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          I wasn’t hoping you had a perfect recipe to cope, I was just curious. Because I do seem to see things in a very similar way you do. Decent people forced into homelessness, submit or die, the slow genocide. I’ve collected the pieces of this throughout my life and putting them together gives an image just like yours. And yes, I’m also at the fringes and at this point my lifestyle is rather close to homelessness. I’m with one foot in society and with one foot out, and expecting stuff to turn real nasty any moment. When fuel and food run out at least some people, if not most, will be at each other’s throats. I’m too smol to survive conflict for long, I put my hope in hiding and gardening. I’m fully aware it’s not a guarantee to sail smoothly in the years to come, just that growing food is better than destroying stuff imo. That said, it’s a personal preference. I don’t blame anyone wanting to go full Luigi …

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    I’m way over 40, and I don’t think anything good will ever happen again. I’d always thought the '70s were bad, but they can’t hold a candle to what we’re experiencing now.

  • kinda, none of that seems to matter. sure, there is no future. i have spent years of my life detailing these things, talking to people, trying to get any kind of response.

    my conclusion is, as far as i could find out, other people seem to be fucking dumb, in the sense of: completely oblivious to the fact that what makes humans humans is being actively dismantled. people are zombies, dead inside, brainwashed individuals.

    i don’t think it’s like all these zombie movies on TV, i think the zombies are not gonna be violent mobsters who are gonna bite you and such and you defend yourself with a gun. the actual zombies are your neighbours, your coworkers, your family. people who are dead inside, just mind-controlled organisms who try to manipulate you to follow the hive mind. in that way they are “eating your brain”. they’re all around us. that’s the actual death of society.

  • wraekscadu ( wraekscadu@vargar.org ) 
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    I hate this doomerism. Generally speaking, things have gotten waaaay better in most parts of the world. Life expectancy is increasing, tech is getting better, gaming is getting more fun, many medical conditions that meant certain death don’t mean that anymore, cities (at least around me) are moving away from car centric planning and so on.

    We have Jarvis now (sorta kinda). Looking at the future, we’re seeing potential treatments that could cure most cancers if not all. We’re seeing tech that could lead to labor post scarcity (sure, maybe not the timelines that the capitalists are proclaiming, but still).

    On the progressive front, being queer is getting much easier than in the past. YES, THERE’S A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT NECESSARY HERE. But, there’s progress, not regression which this post claims.

    Are there many things to work on? Yes. Can be do better? Yes. But I’m still very optimistic about the future and frankly, excited for it.

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    It’s okay dear, we’ll be dead by then anyway. – This person’s parents.

    But yes, I agree with the pedants here unfortunately. I know, I need a shower. This is obvious hyperbole.

    Having said that, it’s also true that a lot of people are in a position where they would not be shocked at all if things continue to decline over time. Today may be a shitty day, but you’ll come to realize that it’s one of the best days you’ll ever have from here on out. A time when you didn’t have to worry about which InterZone you got assigned to today or whether you were going to get bazopped in your Volundo today. You can just enjoy the fresh air outside without having to worry if there’s more than 80 PPM Solanaceous compounds in it or if you’ve got enough glonks to go smocking in the boonzoon. Just sitting with a glowing screen in front of your eyes oblivious to it all is a luxury that in time few will be able to accomplish.