cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/9388376
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The bottom one is likely to destroy the child crushing machine by being inept. The top will keep it maintained for decades to come.
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“We should start a domestic education program allowing the working class to learn how to clean the gears for free if they spend 4 years rounding up kids to throw in there”.
All the bureaucracy is suddenly smooth sailing when they want to bomb the fuck out of kids in the middle east, but all these weird rules and regulations are in the way of anything remotely challenging their interests.
Weird how democracy works that way. Almost like that’s the point!
So true lol. “Think about the long term consequences of raising wages by 1%!!!”
Gee, we’re so sorry, but we’d have to draft up a new bill and then vote on it and then in 1+ years when that bill doesn’t pass we will have to draft up a shittier one that still won’t pass
But the parlimtarian!
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you didn’t even bait it
Idk, looking at the votes and comments i think i bait it pretty good
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After reading remarks from libs on Lemmy, I want to point out two things:
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No significant number of leftists would vote for a real estate mogul turned fascist gameshow host. If you believe otherwise, it’s likely because it makes thinking about the US political situation easier by giving you another illiberal fall guy.
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Voting in the US is a pastiche of democratic participation, made to look like we’ve been handed all we need to make the democracy machine go brrr. We revere it so much because it’s the best we’ve ever had, but other braver and more imaginative people have tried more direct, less capitalistic methods of democracy, usually before being crushed, libelled, bombed or couped by the US and its allies. If Americans ever find the backbone to collectively fight and make sacrifices for something better, future generations might have a chance of not growing up in the most grotesque, inhuman future imaginable. Libs can help with this, but you’re the only ones who can decide whether you put your efforts toward capitalism or democracy. They’re like oil and water.
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Choose one:
- a kick in the balls and a taco.
- a kick in the balls, acid to the face, and shot in each leg.
Both sidesists:
See! See! They’re exactly the same! They’re both gonna kick us in the balls!
Choose one:
- a polite foreign child crusher
- a rude foreign child crusher
Libs:
How dare you point out that polite people are crushing children? You must think I shouldn’t vote for anyone! It’s very important to never improve things, foreign children be damned!
Not that it really matters, because I’m not a liberal, I’m a leftist, but I (and more importantly, my liberal friends) have no problem criticizing democrats for supporting Israel. So go ahead and point that out all you want. I’ll 100% agree with you that they are just as bad as republicans on that issue. The problem I have is when someone reduces the parties down to their stances on one single issue. (In case that wasn’t incredibly obvious from my first comment.)
- Both bomb kids
- Both support genocide
- Both support imperialism and colonialism
- Both screw over the working class to help out their rich friends
- Both openly lie about how they are going to fix things
- Both leverage military and intelligence agencies against their own citizens
The problem I have is when someone reduces the parties down to their stances on one single issue.
The “foreign child crusher” in this comic is doing a lot of heavy lifting, for a lot other problems.
Democrats are, for the most part, pro union. They are the only ones supporting Medicare for all. They actually support science and education. They support social safety nets like social security and SNAP. They support gun regulations. They support foreign aid. They support safe access to abortions. They support LGBTQ rights.
Life is demonstrably worse under republican policies for the working class. I’d love it if third parties were an option, but they’re just not. Pretending like things will get better if we just let republicans win is not helping. They are literally turning the US into a fascist police state.
When one party is fine with me, if a little wary because I’m way further left than they are, and the other part literally wants to kill me and people like me, I see it as a pretty big difference.
Joe Biden broke up the rail strike and the democrats have a long history of weakening unions, this is the dumbest most ahistoric shit I’ve read yet.
Im not gonna bother with the rest of your gish-gallop bullshit except to point out that Roe v. Wade was overturned under a democrat president and it was NEVER codified even when they had run on doing exactly that.
Biden is pro union because he said so. /s Stop judging him by his actions. /s He lost reelection because of failing health. /s His appointee, Mrs. Harris, lost the election due to her laugh and not continuing his unpopular policies. /s
Consider USAID as an example of a machine that keeps doing work regardless of the current office holders. Machines to crush children are part of the system. I acknowledge there were some good outcomes from US soft power. However, the child crushing machine continues to crush children even when the people actuating the lever change.
Its pretty affirming to see all the people bemoaning the loss of USAID, only to, at best, make a vague gesture towards “some accussations” of wrongdoing. Just constantly showing they asses.
Democrats are, for the most part, pro union.
Is this a joke?
Democrats are, for the most part, pro union. They are the only ones supporting Medicare for all. They actually support science and education. They support social safety nets like social security and SNAP. They support gun regulations. They support foreign aid. They support safe access to abortions. They support LGBTQ rights.
No they dont. They campaign on supporting these things, but when they have power, they don’t do anything about them at best.
When they had a majority under Biden and Obama, when did they set up Medicare for all? When did they codify abortion rights?
And lets look at their foreign aid:
- Support for genocide
- Support for dictators
- Support for warlords
Life is demonstrably worse under republican policies for the working class.
And life got demonstrably worse under democratic policies for the working class and for people living in other countries.
Pretending like things will get better if we just let republicans win is not helping. They are literally turning the US into a fascist police state.
When did I say that we should let republicans win? I’m pretty sure I never did. The democrats are helping the republicans turn the US into a fascist police state. Remember when Obama increased mass surveillance? Remember when Biden increased funding to the military, ICE, DHS, cops, and helped build out the border wall? Remember when they both mass-deported and tortured people?
When one party is fine with me, if a little wary because I’m way further left than they are, and the other part literally wants to kill me and people like me, I see it as a pretty big difference.
Well, that may be the difference between us. I’m pretty far to the left of the Democrats, because I think things like rape, torture, and murder are bad. I see both parties actively supporting those things happening to people like me, and people unlike me. But I guess that doesn’t matter to you as long as they aren’t going after you.
Democrats are, for the most part, pro union.
True, Joe Biden finally ended the Amtrak worker strike—wait that’s not pro-union!
They are the only ones supporting Medicare for all.
Except for Palestinians.
They support gun regulations.
Except for Israelis
They support foreign aid.
To arm the modern Holocaust.
Life is demonstrably worse under republican policies for the working class.
Please demonstrate that the Palestinian working class have it worse.
They are literally turning the US into a fascist police state.
The democrats were already supporting the modern Holocaust
When one party is fine with me, if a little wary because I’m way further left than they are,
“Genocide is fine with me”
the other part literally wants to kill me and people like me, I see it as a pretty big difference.
“Palestinians are objects, not people”
All of these are so funny. “They’re turning the us into a fascist police state”
NEWSFLASH, ASSHOLE! ITS BEEN ONE THE WHOLE TIME. Obama was the one to make the patriot act.
Oh, you aren’t living in reality, you just believe whatever they tell you on the evening news. It makes more sense now.
The parties have been reduced down to their stance on this one issue because they can’t even differ there. They both suck on all issues, but a lot of people would still vote for democrats if they could just not commit overt genocide.
They “can’t even differ there”? How about republicans want to strip my friends of the right to go into the correct bathroom, or play sports, or have a job, or get the medical care they need, or have the right identifier on their ID, or be treated fairly by their own government. Democrats don’t. That’s a pretty huge difference.
Ah yes Democrats famous for giving a shit when roe v Wade was overturned. Democrats whose candidate had one thing about trans people handling persecution: “They should follow the law”
Democrats whose main takeaway from losing once again was that they were too woke on the gender stuff. They do fuck all about republicans which is the same as supporting it, which a large amount of them do as well. But im sure voting for them despite them working against you and yours will surely result in something good and not at all push them towards even more depraved goals. Like genocide. Which they are committing. I wonder what the next red line will be?So because democrats haven’t stopped republicans from being so shitty when republicans have power, I shouldn’t vote for them, and just let republicans have more power? I’m not following your logic.
RvW was overturned under the USian dem government, after decades of promising to codify it, and at a time when all of the relevant judges could have just been replaced.
Yes, it is clear that you aren’t following the logic. Maybe some context will help: The democrats support republican policies when they are in power.
Also, who said that you should “just let the republicans have more power”? I didn’t see anyone even suggest that.
You people keep acting as if you’re being told to roll over and accept defeat. Nobody is saying that. What people are saying is “voting for the lesser evil doesn’t work. Its such a dogshit strategy that there isn’t any difference between those two parties anymore.” And somehow you take that to mean there’s nothing to be done. If you are really so hellbent on voting being the only thing you can do, then at least vote for a third party. But really you ought to be doing more than that.
The absolute very best case scenario for a democrat is that they do fuck all. Most of them are far worse than that. They are typically doing the exact same shit as republicans, but no one gives a shit because they’re not overt. I am not an accelerationist, so I dont believe its a good idea to concentrate power in the hands of capitalists, so I won’t vote for the more competent managers of empire.
In the case of a best-case democrat, you’re also making things worse by voting for them, because your vote legitimises their inaction. Every election were democrats have won has been an election that normalised the monstrous. It didnt use to be like this, that you could just shell out cash for cops and child killers. You didnt use to just be able to hand out massive fracking contracts or senselessly pursue brinksmanship without anyone calling you out for the rabid warhawk that you were. Now it doesn’t matter. John Kerry ran on being the better guy for the war in Iraq. Obama won his second term on the back of all his warmongering. It wasn’t always like this. Decades of the lesser evil has lead us down this path, decades of “well we have to vote for them just this once, its the most important election dont you know” has put us where we are now. It clearly observably does not work.
The very best of the democrats is just a republican a few election cycles behind. And most of them are far below par.
Voting for them gives them legitimacy, its not a harmless action.And of those that are the very best, they quickly get engulfed and integrated by the machine, turned into the next generation of managers of empire.
Doesn’t seem like you really know how to read, tbh.
Famous republican Joe Biden
Democrats support stripping the right of people to live. Democrats support stripping the right of people not to be raped by dogs. Oh but they’re not your person friends, and you’re the protagonist of reality and people you don’t care about don’t matter
I’m not a liberal, I’m a leftist
“I don’t agree with Hitler on the death camps, but that’s just one issue, obviously I still support him!”
The meme didn’t say they were the same, they said they both crush children. People gotta come with a list before it’s okay? Not great for memes.
(It’s not just Palestinian children either btw)
They’re literally drawn as the same person with different colors.
Do you not understand meme comics either? Jesus Christ…
They are also drawn with speech bubbles demonstrating their differences.
Did you forget about the millions of dead children your country produces or did you have to make it about you again?
Oh, they didn’t forget, they clearly just don’t care.
It really is a reminder of how much western shitlibs don’t consider foreigners human that they would equivocate a modern Holocaust with 'a kick to the balls and a taco"
Sometimes I’ll see liberals hating on the left for losing them the election by not voting for the lesser evil and they’ll say “and she’s not even that bad they just don’t like her laugh”.
Like imagine someone saying the only reason people hate Hitler is because he’s erratic in his speeches.
My favourite is when they talk about genocide in Palestine like it’s a bipartisan FOOTNOTE and act smug about it. Even had one in this very thread.
I think it would be more realistic like this.
Choose one:
- murder strangers and ignore you mostly.
- murder strangers but kick you in the balls.
Democrat voters:
You are blind if you don’t see the difference.
Both of them murder people in the country too, especially those who “look like strangers.”
Is the taco coming from all the immigrants the democrats deported? They even ran on being tougher on immigration than Trump. They deported more people than he did. Is that where the taco is coming from?
If someone came up to me and said they were going to shoot one cat or two and if I didn’t choose one they would shoot three I still wouldn’t play their game. Don’t negotiate with terrorists or whatever.
Easy for you when you aren’t the one being kicked. Also you missed where both kill tens of thousands of children.
hmm, those both choices you laid out; how do the people outside your country get affected by these elections?
Generally, much worse under republicans. Republicans like to start wars.
Republicans like to start wars.
Compared to Democrats? How? Libya, Syria and Yemen were attacked under a Democratic president. In fact, Kamala said that Iran is the greatest threat in the world.
Or better yet, the escalation of the genocide under Joe Biden? The genocidal monster who loves “Israel” so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM
Turns out, outside of Amerika; there is in fact not a single fucking difference between these 2 parties. All you care about is domestic affair concerning your treats. You don’t give a fuck about people outside your area.
Turns out, outside of Amerika; there is in fact not a single fucking difference between these 2 parties. All you care about is domestic affair concerning your treats. You don’t give a fuck about people outside your area.
🫰🫰🫰(That’s snapping btw lol)
Like I don’t even expect people to overthrow the government tomorrow or whatever. Shit’s scary, I get it. But like, it would be super cool if they could stop aggressively defending the child crushing in front of the world, on the internet. As a start.
In my entire lifetime, only republicans have started wars, and only democrats have ended them. I’m almost 40.
In fact, Kamala said that Iran is the greatest threat in the world.
And Donald Trump started a war with them.
The US has not formally declared war since WW2, so formal declaration cannot be your threshold.
Wikipedia has got a list of “wars” in the 21st century that the US has participated in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century
Every president during this period makes the list.
Edit: to clarify I’m not saying Wikipedia is straight facts. It’s a convenient list. Using any other list is fine too.
Are you implying that Joe Biden started the Ukraine War and the Gaza War?
Biden supported Israel on day one of the war with everything he could even bypassing congress so yes, also its the Israeli–Palestinian war btw you dont call the other the Donbass war now do you?
NATO had been pushing for war with Russia for a while. It finally got it.
So yeah, either of the recent blue governments can be said to have started the war.
I’m trying to understand what starting a war means such that you can say it was only the republicans.
There are other conflicts in there that are listed with dem presidents.
In my entire lifetime, only republicans have started wars
Are you less than two years old? Did you already forget that the most recent blue government invaded Yemen and prepared to invade Iran?
Libya, Syria, Kosovo, Bosnia and various drone campaigns. There are probably others in the last 40 years.
This dude just admitted to being 2 years old
-Libya
-Niger
-Syria
-Yemen
All places intervened in by a democrat in recent memory, both parties are extremely militaristic.
If you are saying this unironically you need to open a history book and look outside your bubble. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, Haiti, former Yugoslavia, Sudan, Gaza, Vietnam, Dominican Republic, Somalia and many many more attacked and or destroyed under democrats.
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You’re ignoring the stated viewpoint and making up one thats easier to argue against. Its clear that in the eyes of the poster they both give the same thing, one is just rude about it. Either argue for why being rude about it matters so much or argue for why they aren’t creating the same conditions.
Wait but if you’re bluemaga, why do you portray the one where you don’t get trump as worse?
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hint
“taco” trump
These metaphors don’t actually explain anything, and are generally used to avoid having to explain, because to do so would be difficult.
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Libertarians: I will have sex with this child. Then crush it due to no non-aggression pact.
You have to vote for them because another guy would crush the child even more.
It’s not about voting for the lesser evil, but against the worse one. The way the United States is structured, which influences the way its people think about voting and vice versa, you are given only two options when voting for president:
- Vote for the Democrat one
- Vote for the Republican one
But… you might think you’re clever and say “I should just vote for neither of them, nobody will stop me”. If your state has RCV then put your preferred candidate as a first pick and just place Democrat before Republican. Problem solved, no more strategic voting. Unfortunately, precious few states have adopted this for any elections, let alone the presidency.
In states without RCV, there are 3 equivalent cases from your perspective:
- Vote Republican: Increment their number by 1
- Overall effect +1 for Republicans
- Vote Democrat: Increment a threatening score by 1, thereby requiring Republicans to gain 1 more vote to win
- Overall effect -1 for Republicans
- Don’t vote or vote for a non threatening party/candidate
- Overall effect 0 for Republicans
Forgive me for assuming the reader wants to get Republicans (and Republican aligned Democrats) out of office. In this case, it is your responsibility to vote for the most threatening candidate. It’s a sick trick of game theory, which is why RCV is so important.
You really just gotta get out of the private space of who people vote for and do actual work that matters. Wasting your energy trying to get polite genocidaires elected is costing lives every day. You only have so much time. Vote the way you understand the system works, assume everyone else is as smart or smarter than you and they can figure out how to vote. And then spend the other 364 days of the year putting all this effort you want to put into vote mongering and put it into dismantling the orphan crushing machine.
Because the way this works is that there’s an orphan crushing machine and there are two parties who take turns operating the orphan crushing machine and we need all the help we can get dismantling the orphan crushing machine.
And when you spend all your effort screaming at the people who want to dismantle the orphan crushing machine that they should ALSO be sure they vote for the correct people to operate the orphan crushing machine, wait let me put it in your terms:
If you help us dismantle the orphan crushing machine, that’s -1 for the orphan crushers and +1 for the people fighting the orphan crushers
If you don’t help us dismantle the machine, that’s 0 for the orphan crushers
If you consume time and energy from other people who would otherwise be convinced to help us dismantle the orphan crushing machine, that -1 or more for the people fighting the orphan crushers and +1 or more for the orphan crushers.
It’s just the way game theory works out. Trust me. I’m a doctor of game theory.
Because the way this works is that there’s an orphan crushing machine and there are two parties who take turns operating the orphan crushing machine and we need all the help we can get dismantling the orphan crushing machine.
Damn that’s 🔥
It’s a little wild to tell someone they should spend this energy doing something about it instead of writing when you wrote more than them just to say it. It rings pretty hollow. Not saying this to tell you you’re right or wrong, just some constructive criticism. Stick to the substantial arguments if you really want to change minds.
Ugh. This whole argument again. No friendo, what I did is not equivalent to what they did. What I did was spend the time to spread the information that helps my case that electoralism is a failure and that we must move beyond it. I provided evidence that most electoralists need to see so that they too can abandon the electoral path and join the rest of us in tearing it down.
What my opponent is doing is moralizing to try to get people to vote correctly and every character they write is in the service of this. I never said writing is bad. I said spending energy on convincing people of the electoral path is bad. Spending energy on convincing people against the electoral path is good.
You are repeating the same hollow rhetoric that if I disagree with the US fighting wars then I should disagree with Iran fighting wars, or that if I disagree with the master beating slaves then I should disagree with slaves beating the master.
I wasn’t even denouncing the core of your argument, it was purely the characterization you made of them. Everyone views their own opinions as the right ones, so “spend[ing] your effort screaming at the ones who want to dismantle the orphan crushing machine”(your exact words) is about as fair of a characterization as “beg the accellerationists to help reduce the amount of murder happening in general” for instance. I’m not saying that either one is the truth. I’m not saying you are wrong or adding my own view on the issue itself. I’m saying that I think you could make it more convincing by leaving that characterization out.
I’ll consider it. Thanks for the feedback
You’re welcome, and thanks for taking my words in good faith. Even if what I said doesn’t resonate with you, I hope you manage to have a good day.
“Heh, you claim my praxis is useless at best yet you use words to do it. Hypocrite much?”
Okay, you’re getting defensive in a way that’s kind of silly here
Did you mean to respond to somone else? I’ve been trying to go out of my way to say this isn’t a rebuttal to the argument. No one’s rhetoric is perfect, and even if someone’s advice doesn’t resonate with you there might be a kernel of something you can use to improve it in other ways.
It’s a little wild to tell someone they should spend this energy doing something about it instead of writing
That’s not what freagle said though. The argument wasn’t that jjj shouldn’t write or that they shouldn’t try to influence people, the argument was that they shouldn’t be wasting their time and energy trying to influence people to vote because voting is ultimately useless. Freagle never said that trying to influence people period is a waste. So no, what they said did not ring hollow and there was no hypocrisy in writing a long a comment explaining why it is a waste to try to get people to vote or to vote a certain way.
You either didn’t understand or deliberately mischaracterized what freagle was actually saying so you can’t claim it was just constructive criticism.
On a more charitable reading I can see that meaning, and I probably came off with a tone I didn’t mean over text. I don’t think its an effective approach for convincing opposition though and would ask folks tempted to to consider why what seems like simple math isn’t so simple for people focusing on a different variables.
But no, not deliberately misunderstanding and I appreciate your input.
HELP! We tried this in Europe but the politicians kept on selling out to rich people as soon as (or even before) they got voted in! Feeling kinda alienated and class conscious atm what should we do now?
Maybe you should stop doing evil.
So genocide joe good?
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Man Russiagate has permanently fried the brains of all you liberals lmao
But do explain how they are a Russian bot.
Oh yes, because obviously anyone criticizing the democratic party for helping to maintain neo-colonial oppression and genocide is a Russian bot.
How do you decide it’s a bot? It’s it because it says something you don’t like?
Certainly a person, I speak to them on a regular basis.
nah, im actually a chatbot nerd
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Remember kids, youre either supporting evil or evil with a happy face and there’s no other options, absolutely none at all, so you might as well vote for evil with a happy face - It’s not like we have done this for decades and the strategy has lead us to a point where the only difference is whether or not the senile maniac in charge wears self-tanner or not.
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There is no viable alternative, and your choices are the big evil or the little evil. You can either vote for the little evil or accept the big evil!
There is a viable alternative, it’s called organizing and overthrowing your damn government.
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Tell me where you live and I’ll tell you three orgs you can join this instant. You could figure it out yourself too, but I dont mind doing the googling for you.
You’re right there’s only two parties in the us and you have to vote for one of them, otherwise you get shot. And thats the only things that are possible for you to do.
Guess we just have to walk down this road until the lesser evil party is also goose-stepping on your neck and then I gotta walk all alone. I’ll walk by the cage in which they keep you and tell you I am real sad about it, but I had to do it because the other party was less cordial. Then ill go have brunch with whoevers left in the electoral hellscape we have created by inchworming towards a completely avoidable Armageddon if we had only had spine. But we dont, we’ve got mimosas instead.You fed the little evil for decades until it grew big enough to eclipse humanity’s future.
Do you even listen to yourself? lol
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Why even tolerate that kind of system? At that point, burn it all down.
Guess what, both of these choices still kill people outside your country. And Trump, being incompetent as he is, is actually making the system collapse which is in fact a huge benefit to the rest of the world (and the rest of the world’s population is fucking substantially more than Amerika)
Guess what, both of these choices still kill people outside your country.
Don’t forget inside our country too!
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Based on your last paragraph, it seems that you prefer the greater evil. That checks out, “both sides” bullshit is pretty universally pushed by Republicans.
Based on your posts, it seems you don’t care about genocide and destroying countries as long as you get your treats. That’s “lesser evil” for you.
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How did not electing harris work out for Gaza? Still rubble? Shame. I definitely thought the right wing was gonna help Palestine, lol.
Wow, look at that, a scratched liberal. I love how you people get smug about genocide. You fucking monster.
Only fascists like you will consider genocide a bipartisan issue. Go fuck yourself.
I definitely thought the right wing was gonna help Palestines
You’re right about one thing. Harris is part of the right wing.
Hey wasn’t it Joe Biden who was a fervent supporter of Israel while he was pretending he wasn’t? What was it Kamala said about him? Was it something about she would have done as he did? Damn that’s crazy, good things all those missiles and guns and bullets and money didnt work until Trump came into power.
Hitler was considered lesser evil. So this comic makes even less sense.
Edit: I’ve had that completely wrong in my mind
But he wasn’t, it was the recently elected social democrat president Hindenburg who appointed Hitler as chancellor thus granting him his rise to power. The liberal society of the Weimar Republic viewed Hitler as more evil, but chose the “lesser evil” of SPD over the Communist Party’s candidate, who promptly appointed Hitler as chancellor.
