America is the only society I know of that boasts of open elections but has no collective curiosity about who counts the votes or how it’s done.
I’m not saying fair elections would help; but I still get triggered easily by the subject.
I would like to think future historians will be as unkind to the vote pushers, as they will be to the fascists
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We know every election up to and including JFK was rigged. I fail to see why it would be any different now.
Not just USA, but all countries with “democracy”. Every candidates to vote came from same oligarch groups.
Democracy within socialism is good and works for the people, but democracy within capitalism is a sham.
Not voting is dumb. Might as well drown if you don’t.
in other words: the only allowed political action to be committed under capitalism is voting. we have to pretend we are challenging the status quo without doing anything at all right?
Voting is the first and easiest step, right?
In scenarios where it does not seem to save you from drowning, What is to be done?
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Voting doesn’t get meaningful change, because it’s designed not to be able to. That doesn’t mean our hands our tied, we can roll up our sleeves and get organized. Collective power is the working class’s strongest tool, and it’s magnified when we all work in the same direction. Revolution is possible and necessary.
I would say voting for those working against your interests is even dumber
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Voting for genocide is not okay how hard is it to comprehend to you people?
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This shit would also be under the colour blue. Kamala Harris was mocking Trump for not deporting enough lmfao
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one side is a shit sandwich with human rights
Your daily reminder that western shitlibs don’t consider Palestinians human
That’s a lot of words for “first they came for the Palestinians, and I threw their asses under the bus because they’re not me.”
Are you even serious?
are you serious? 99% Hitler vs 100% Hitler? Except you only care about domestic issues and don’t give one fuck about people outside your country. You don’t even consider them human when you talk like this.
Fucking disgusting. How about overthrowing your fucking genocidal governments?
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You should at least try to pretend that you consider Palestinians human
Why is this hard?
Why is this hard for you?
but one side is genocide both at home and abroad
You people are fucking pathetic btw. Palestine is going through daily bombings, dehumanization, torture and mass killings. All as part of your country’s push for genocide along with “Israel”. And they are still struggling and fighting and resisting.
And you experience ONE BILLIONTH of the pain and you decide turning genocide into a bipartisan issue is the way to go!
Selfish and monstrous.
Both sides are genocide everywhere, you just dont notice or care when its your team doing it.
> Human rights
- Every regime has deported more people than the previous regime
- All Kamala could say about trans people was that “they should follow the law”
- Every regime has increased police funding and expanded the carceral state.
- Roe v Wade was overturned under Joe Biden, who did fuck all to stop it
- Roe v Wade could have been enshrined, or whatever the fuck the word is, under Obama
- Obama was the one who expanded ICEs budget and purview
- Joe Biden was a fervent supporter of Israel
- Joe Biden sicced cops on peaceful protesters
- Joe Biden had people disappeared in black vans during the riots in 2020
What human rights?
Your argument seems to be “well they’re not throwing me in the camps” but seems like they’re well on their way to doing exactly that and you’re just strengthening them.
The United States has a uniparty; all voting does is change the decal on the genocide machine. Vote if you want, I don’t really care, but don’t act like it does anything of substance.
Don’t only vote. But fucking vote.
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Most states have cheating in the primaries, both parties: unless you are lucky to live in a state that uses a voting system which prevents that.
What is the purpose of participating in a primary unless the votes are transparently counted and recounted by humans who are witnessed by representatives of the candidates?
If it is to raise awareness of the cheating, then some participation maybe good? Like, if the candidate or party/org is allowed to point at the the problematic voting system and propose changes etc as part of campaign promotion.
I would be totally behind raising awareness of proper vote counting with paper ballots; except that is what I did for years in my state, at first inside the Democratic Party ; then later when that had no traction, outside of it.
There is zero demand or push for better vote counting that I saw in the progressive wings of the Democratic Party. And equally few cares given by people in the republican side.
I spoke to activists in minority communities and there is zero momentum there, and no appetite to take that on.
In fact, it was such a sad experience for me, that it’s what inspired me to become a communist.
I’ve experienced trying to raise awareness and it only raised my awareness, not others.
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shut the fuck up and hold your nose and vote for the candidate that’s not pedohitler
They’re all pedohitlers. You people only care about Trump because he is mean to the domestic population and their vassal states.
Literally they are all on team genocide.
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This did not start with fucking Trump holy fuck are you people insane. Venezuela has been under siege long before Trump stepped foot into office in his first term.
those Iranian schoolgirls
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/kamala-harris-says-iran-is-greatest-adversary-of-us
Amerikkkans were always doing this. History did not start with Trump. You are disgusting.
USAID cuts
A tool of imperialism got cut, oh no! No more forced austerity and regime changes hopefully!
Imperialism is bipartisan.
Joe Biden was pretty big on suppressing MeToo. And I dont know if you recall but the democrats are also on the Epstein list.
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Voting can definitely bring change. Look at Zohran Mamdani in NYC. The reason he’s mayor, instead of someone else, is because enough people voted for him.
But if you’re not satisfied with voting alone then you can get more involved with politics. Join a party, or start a party. Join a trade union, or start one, if you want. Things like that.
LMBO! The fake leftist that went full zionist capitalist 2 seconds after he was sworn in is not the flex you think it is
And you turn out to be a genocide supporter. What a fucking shock.
Someone needs to nuke terf Island
I feel like if there was any sort of uprising, the far right vastly out numbers the far left. What comes out may not be what we want.
That’s why it’s important to educate, agitate, and organize. Far more people are open to socialism and communism than you may think.
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I know it can be incredibly frustrating. Only 50-ish to 60-ish percent turnout out most elections which is sad (https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_elections). You can also vote with your money. Be conscious about what you spend your money on or just spend less. Vote with your data (restrict access to it). Be anonymous. Delete online accounts or use fake information as much as possible. Don’t feed the machine. Vote with your actions. Protest and show support for what you believe in. Vote with your feelings. Don’t go for the rage bait and trolls. Block all that shit. Don’t let it drag you down. Free your mind. Vote with your morals. Help those in need. Be kind. And above all just survive. You can’t make a difference if you are dead.
You can theoretically vote with your money. But you would need billions of dollars to vote. That’s the only way you can vote in a way that counts in capitalism.
I would rather have someone in charge who doesn’t do anything that someone who is actively breaking everything. How did all that protesting the Democratic candidates work out for Palestine? Both sides blah blah blah really played out well for everything from gas prices to free speech, didn’t it?
How did all that protesting the Democratic candidates work out for Palestine?
how about you stop being smug about genocide? Joe Biden ramped up the genocide in Palestine significantly and Kamala was going to do the same. Kamala also said Iran is the greatest threat, because Democrats, just like Republicans are on the same side when it comes to foreign policy; which is to kill and plunder the global south.
What did the Democrats do for Palestine?
How did all that protesting the Democratic candidates work out for Palestine?
How well did Harris’ promise to continue Biden’s support of Israel despite their live-streaming genocide work out for her?
No, but you see, that’s the fault of the people who stuck to their principles and didn’t support a genocide even tacitly. They secretly sabotaged her campaign by denying her the votes she was owed.
If we hadn’t all been so selfish, the bombs today would be dropped (more competently) by a woman and CNN would barely mention it in passing or make it spectacle and entertainment with suitable gravitas from multi-millionaire celebrity “journalists”.
Fuck off with your dumb weaponization of the Palestinian struggle. Fuck you and your whole family, what a piece of trash
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My point was to use all tools at your disposal. Revolutions can be waged on several fronts. I’ve always hated politics as do most people I know. But 50% voter turnout is partially to blame why it sucks so bad. We have a shitty government and we are to blame. Oh well, I tried nothing and it didn’t work…
The 50% voter turnout is because of lack of faith in the ability for voting to change anything. Push these people to organize.
Plus the difficulty usa puts on people who want to vote. See Texas and constant removal of voting locations.
Or how Republicans love to remove locations from college campuses, or the lack of will by either party to extend voting to more than a single day
If everyone thinks like that, then nothing can be done. The power is when many people act together. Giving up because you feel insignificant is what keeps oligarchs in power. They want you to feel small. One vote may seem small, but if everyone votes, then we can make a difference.
We agree that the powers of the working classes are in our numbers. Where we disagree is which direction that should be pointed in. You cannot change the system from within it to something that goes fundamentally against the base. Only revolution can do so, so we must smash and replace the state with a socialist state.
