media is only showing looting to gain sympathey for the right.
Yup
Reminds me of people that can look past concentration camps, murders carried out by ice, blatant corruption, bombing schools, and genocide but they draw the line at having to pay 2$ more for gas
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Fuck you, Nazi scum.
Because Americans literally do nothing as their form of protest. They allow the steamrolling to happen to protect their own vapid moral integrity.
Canadians might be worse in terms of doing nothing. The average Canadian in my experience can’t even imagine politics left of the NDP (our social democrats).
The slow slide to the right that’s just beginning here feels like it’s just a boring fact and not a struggle.
Yah but at least we don’t vote in obvious fascists or separate under obvious foreign lobbying, your just fingerprinting to avoid facing the reality the left in America is getting walked all over.
vote in obvious fascists
We will eventually.
When? stop saying ‘it’ll happen’ just because Americans are Fuck ups and projecting their failure when it’s clear it’s not taking hold in Canada. If anything it’s getting weaker as we watch America further fall because of this mindset. Many in my life that first though maga and Donald were great and done a 180 having seen what a monumental failure of governance he’s perpetrated, stop getting sucked into those failed liberals doomerism.
It definitely is beginning to happen with immigrants, indigenous people, and trans people. We’re like 20 years off from it.
Wtf are you talking about, there has been no backsliding here in Canada, you sound like a maga nutcase when Joe was in office going on about lonni shit with no base in reality. The only thing we reduced was immigration and it improved youth job numbers. That’s the only thing that’s changed. You can blame Justin for that, mass importing laborer by over half a mill a year. It’s not like we’re dragging people off to concentration camps like ice are.
You sound exactly like some conservative who’d complain about “immigrants shitting on beaches” or something like that, so why should I trust you on this?
I wish they did nothing. But no, they go to work and pay taxes and take a vacation day to go to a protest. Doing nothing, i.e. a general strike, might actually accomplish something.
It’s performative. Remember, everything they take time to speak up on is projection of some sort, so they’re just mad about the reasons for the protests and find it advantageous to complain about the small percentage of people taking advantage of the protests to loot and cause damage in order to distract and taint the movements they don’t like or support. They’re literally virtue signaling, another thing they like to condemn when it’s done by someone they disagree with or don’t like, but here they are sitting behind a screen typing out how they would never do property damage or enter a building without permission or when it’s against the law, despite not speaking up when it’s their “side” doing it.
There are pros and cons, the violence and damage done in the French protests also make it easy for the rightwing to shatter solidarity among left and center voices. These protestors take the narrative the rightwing wants to push about the left and immigrants hook line and sinker without reflecting on the consequences of that, which is very very very very dangerous.
Rightwing fascists want nothing more than this to become a fist fight, it is the only environment their shitty politics can survive in because everyone is too distracted by the violence to actually interrogate what each side is saying and determine fascists are violent and full of shit.
You can criticize a protest like No Kings in the US for being wayyyy too deferential to the status quo, but you can also on the flipside point out that everyone who goes to a peaceful mass protest leaves knowing they are in the majority, and that a vast diversity of people have arrived at the same conclusion and desire to exert their will in a collective fashion that no significant percentage of the society resists in a rational way even if the power structures do.
Once you start throwing bricks at the cops and burning everything down you cut the potential for solidarity into two opposing sides which isn’t so say that ACAB isn’t true or that the pearl clutching around property damage isn’t insulting given the human suffering the protests are meant to illuminate but the vision of the social project becomes diminished once things enter that realm, you have a war at that point not a social movement.
All that being said, I don’t think the protestors are the problem, not even remotely, the inhuman conditions for the average person are the problem. I am also not trying to say a certain way of protesting is necessarily wrong, but this idea that we aren’t in a struggle of primarily narrative is a sure fire way to lose catastrophically as the left which to be honest France should be alot more cognizant about given their history than they seem to be…
We all know rightwing fascists need and deserve to be punched in the face, but if you lean into that unreflectively you make it easy for them to portray the situation as a tit for tat fight rather than an existential struggle against dehumanization.
You can criticize a protest like No Kings in the US for being wayyyy too deferential to the status quo
I criticize them for being too small, too infrequent and too short a duration.
…and I criticize the France protests for feeding directly into fascist narratives that appeal to centrists in such a blatantingly stupid way.
Both are valid lines of criticism shrugs
That’s a fascist’s secret : everything feeds into their narratives. If leftists aren’t a threat to fight with heavily armed cops, they are weaklings to ignore and trample over with heavily armed cops.
Radical politics will never please centrists. The trick is to ignore centrists and engage directly with people upset at the status quo. Give them something to believe in. Centrists will follow, as they always do, by definition. For radicals there is no such thing as bad publicity - every news story only serves to prove that they have impact.
If leftists aren’t a threat to fight with heavily armed cops, they are weaklings to ignore and trample over with heavily armed cops.
Why do you think that the heavily armed cops lose when they have actual enemies to focus their violence that require their skills?
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Ok well that is your anecdote, the No Kings rallies have been some of the largest protests in US history and have approached the often quoted percentage of people necessary to ensure a successful social movement/revolution.
And nothing changed? The pedo is still ordering his goons to kill citizens, they’re trying to deport a member of Congress, and they’re perpetuating the war in the middle east (and a myriad of other stuff).
Where’s the line? When will the Americans do anything about it?
If the US protested right now the way France is, it would result in law enforcement being given complete permission to be as violent as they want because the “violent” left has finally come that they have spent decades hammering over the US people’s heads about.
Doing something about it first and foremost means not handing power to the narratives your enemy existentially needs you to feed into to retain legitimacy amd justify lethal violence against you.
No Kings is run by the same Liberal organizations that support the Democratic party. They might as well be party sponsored events. Nothing will change when the Market liberal donkeys are in charge, besides the visibility of ICE.
USians don’t even wanna do a mass strike let alone march in and remove the people causing so many people to die and put them out of everyone’s misery. Bunch of moaning little self righteous PC ego trippers.
propaganda is done its work to make people not protest to be honest as one. Also the republicans dont protest at all, because they believe in hierachy so they dont like ruffling the feathers. and people are still being paid based on thier job/fields high enough to not become upset over.
Yup, so many people cam out of the wood work to point figure at Germany when their nazi party won one Provence, not the whole country, a PROVENCE. Many libs on here are hypocrites looking to point fingers because deep down, they know their efforts are weak.
My only concerns and areas I consider off limits really are pharmacies and medical supply stores, medical places. Thinking on it a bit and ruminating, I can accept small businesses being looted if it provides incentive for the person to be upset with the state as well instead of the protests.
It’s mostly been luxury stores that have been looted (at least from the reporting).
May I ask why you draw the line there?
Because people, especially those rioting, are dependent on the medicines that such establishments provide. I thought the idea was don’t fuck with the firefighters and paramedics. I would have thought it extends toward those.
Small amount of looting? That has absolutely destroyed the livelihood of some of the small shop owners while also negatively affecting the local economies for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile, mansions, multinational offices, and banks, y’know, the ones belonging to the supposed oligarchs pushing the ever-diminishing standards of living have remained untouched.
Face it, the protests have been hijacked by criminal opportunists with the barest facade of an excuse, and far from it being just “USians” condemning it, now every far-right social network in every part of the world pushed into the feeds by their respective Musks is taking advantage of the mayhem to associate it to their opposition and to top it off with a heavy dose of racism. Seeing Paris burned down by people who are students in facade only (and it’s easy to tell the rioters from the students actually protesting) has absolutely fed the growth of the far right across multiple countries while doing little to economically help anyone but the looters who help themselves.
Small amount of looting? That has absolutely destroyed the livelihood of some of the small shop owners while also negatively affecting the local economies for the foreseeable future
You’ll need to point out which small shops were looted, because from what’s been reported, it’s mostly luxury boutique stores.Nevermind, I saw the links you provided. Super unfortunate for the small shop owners
but also because msms are only choosing to show looting and framing it as the worst thing that happened.
and it’s easy to tell the rioters from the students actually protesting
You’re this close, keep trying.