Hopefully we can all agree that just as being generally physically stronger is not a valid justification to initiate violence, neither is being generally physically weaker.
Yes, and water is wet.
The source of this silly argument is not men arguing that it’s ok to assault women or initiate violence in any way. The original argument was about hitting back when being assaulted by a woman. It was a common believe* that you could never hit a woman, not even when you’re being assaulted. Then the "equal rights’ folks started saying “equal rights? so I can defend myself when woman attacks me same way as when a man does?”. I have no idea where the “you can just assault people” argument came from. I assumed it’s just a joke. I can’t believe people are seriously arguing against it.
I have no idea where the “you can just assault people” argument came from. I assumed it’s just a joke. I can’t believe people are seriously arguing against it.
They’re arguing against it because it’s a straw man, and they don’t want to say “Yes, you can defend yourself against a woman who is attacking you”.
Any martial artist that isn’t full of shit and high on their own supply will tell you that self defense skills are only to ever be employed when you truly do not have any other option.
You always try to talk down a situation, look for or cause an opening to flee from a situation, or even just outright surrender/comply if that is likely to result in the actual immediate threat to yourself or others ending.
Even being robbed at gun or knife point, just give them your wallet.
You have a better chance of being able to replace your cards or id or phone than you do of surviving a close range gunshot or serious knife wound.
You only ever use force when 1) you genuienly have no other option and 2) the risks of using force outweigh the risks of not doing so.
Even then, you still must remain proportional.
I am offended by people who assault their partners on many levels, and one of those levels is the obvious lack of self control.
I guess you’ve never been physically assaulted by a woman, or met a woman who just does entirely seriously believe its ok for them to hit a man.
I have.
I just guarded, blocked, and escaped the situation, called and reported an assault.
My idea, my thinking was that it is so obvious that men are capable of and do enact violence against women that … we could take that for granted, and try to add something to the conversation that doesn’t get talked about as often, despite that it does happen nearly as often.
I guess you’ve never been physically assaulted by a woman
No, I haven’t but I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. What you’re saying has no relation to what I said. I said that no one is seriously trying to justify assaulting people for no reason, not that violence is somehow sex exclusive. Maybe you replied to the wrong comment?
I literally just told you the point I was trying to make.
The thing that you are saying no one does or thinks… you are simply wrong, many people think that and do that.
To state it plainly: some people do think it is ok for a woman to physically assault a man.
Maybe less of them will outright say that, that directly, outloud, but actions speak more loudly than words… and we have statistics that catalogue those actions, that I linked to, and referenced, and explained, in my top level comment, that you replied to.
So you think murders and rapists will openly claim that it’s ok to kill and rape people? I think you’re confusing what criminals do and what people argue about online.
some people do think it is ok for a woman to physically assault a man.
Some people think they were kidnapped by an UFO. It still doesn’t make for a valid argument about extraterrestrial life.
Yes, and water is wet.
The source of this silly argument is not men arguing that it’s ok to assault women or initiate violence in any way. The original argument was about hitting back when being assaulted by a woman. It was a common believe* that you could never hit a woman, not even when you’re being assaulted. Then the "equal rights’ folks started saying “equal rights? so I can defend myself when woman attacks me same way as when a man does?”. I have no idea where the “you can just assault people” argument came from. I assumed it’s just a joke. I can’t believe people are seriously arguing against it.
*at least where I was growing up
They’re arguing against it because it’s a straw man, and they don’t want to say “Yes, you can defend yourself against a woman who is attacking you”.
I agree it’s a straw man but it’s so silly I think they are just trolling.
Also, I still think you can’t defend yourself against a women. Just walk away.
You should always just walk away, if you can. That’s good advice regardless of the gender of the person who hit you.
Any martial artist that isn’t full of shit and high on their own supply will tell you that self defense skills are only to ever be employed when you truly do not have any other option.
You always try to talk down a situation, look for or cause an opening to flee from a situation, or even just outright surrender/comply if that is likely to result in the actual immediate threat to yourself or others ending.
Even being robbed at gun or knife point, just give them your wallet.
You have a better chance of being able to replace your cards or id or phone than you do of surviving a close range gunshot or serious knife wound.
You only ever use force when 1) you genuienly have no other option and 2) the risks of using force outweigh the risks of not doing so.
Even then, you still must remain proportional.
I am offended by people who assault their partners on many levels, and one of those levels is the obvious lack of self control.
I guess you’ve never been physically assaulted by a woman, or met a woman who just does entirely seriously believe its ok for them to hit a man.
I have.
I just guarded, blocked, and escaped the situation, called and reported an assault.
My idea, my thinking was that it is so obvious that men are capable of and do enact violence against women that … we could take that for granted, and try to add something to the conversation that doesn’t get talked about as often, despite that it does happen nearly as often.
Being a violent bully isn’t sex exclusive.
No, I haven’t but I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. What you’re saying has no relation to what I said. I said that no one is seriously trying to justify assaulting people for no reason, not that violence is somehow sex exclusive. Maybe you replied to the wrong comment?
I literally just told you the point I was trying to make.
The thing that you are saying no one does or thinks… you are simply wrong, many people think that and do that.
To state it plainly: some people do think it is ok for a woman to physically assault a man.
Maybe less of them will outright say that, that directly, outloud, but actions speak more loudly than words… and we have statistics that catalogue those actions, that I linked to, and referenced, and explained, in my top level comment, that you replied to.
So you think murders and rapists will openly claim that it’s ok to kill and rape people? I think you’re confusing what criminals do and what people argue about online.
Some people think they were kidnapped by an UFO. It still doesn’t make for a valid argument about extraterrestrial life.
I read it the same way.