Can we get a consensus on whether our community should de-federate with servers that host loli? I personally think we should block them, and if that ends up not being the consensus here then I’ll probably sign up on another server. I hope we can all agree to set that boundary though because I like it here and it seems otherwise pretty cool.
To everyone saying just block the communities:
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I don’t want to have to block communities. In order to know I need to block a community, I have to see content which I feel is worth blocking. That’s fine for most cases but in this case that is not fine (to me personally).
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I don’t necessarily want to associate or interact with people who are fine having a server with loli as their home server. Not to be mean about it but that’s just how I feel flat out.
I think this is an instance where de-federation is the correct course of action.
Lodion 🇦🇺 ( @lodion@aussie.zone ) English18•1 year agoI’d like a feature for user specific defederation of communities as you’ve mentioned. Not sure it is possible though.
J_C___ ( @J_C___@lemmy.place ) English5•1 year agoSir thats the block button
Lodion 🇦🇺 ( @lodion@aussie.zone ) English5•1 year agoYeah, I meant entire instances.
J_C___ ( @J_C___@lemmy.place ) English5•1 year agoGotcha, I think that’s a feature request currently being worked on
J_C___ ( @J_C___@lemmy.place ) English9•1 year agoI don’t want to have to block communities. In order to know I need to block a community,
so you’re puttin the onus on the admins? its the same process with different steps, just block the communities you dont want to see as they pop up. No need to search them out.
EDIT: spelling
Fizz ( @Fizz@lemmy.nz ) English4•1 year agoIf you defederate it does that also block me from seeing posts here since my instance has not defederated it?
Its a pretty strong stance to say I don’t want to interact with anyone who hasn’t defederated X.
No it would just block interactions between the the 2 communities as far as I understand it
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Eddie Hitler ( @MorksEgg@lemmy.world ) English29•1 year agoIsn’t that the point of decentralization allowing users to pick and choose what they want to see? If you don’t want to see Loli all you have to do is block the server from your feed. I’m not a fan of Hentaiof any of its subs. But I digress, I’m not on your server so I guess I don’t really have a say. 😁
AgileLion ( @AgileLion@feddit.de ) English14•1 year agoI don’t want to see gore to block it, though.
sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@feddit.de ) English12•1 year agoNo the point of decentralization is not that the user has to do all the moderation work themselves.
DarkwingDuck ( @darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works ) English27•1 year agoNo need to defederate. I just went and blocked loli and related communities that popped up. I will never see them again.
So, my vote is NAY.
sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@feddit.de ) English3•1 year agoWould you say the same about a gore community?
DarkwingDuck ( @darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year agoAbsolutely.
sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@feddit.de ) English3•1 year agoBut that’s such a bad user experience.
DarkwingDuck ( @darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year agoI mean I should hope it’d be blurred out on All
sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@feddit.de ) English3•1 year agowith a content warning or without? Blurring is useful for lewd content imo where you don’t suffer when clicking it, it just hides for the public when reading in train. But I don’t want content just blurred that is literally mentally scarring to the average user.
DarkwingDuck ( @darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year agoA NSFL tag would do fine.
Barbarian ( @Barbarian@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year agoPersonally, I’m fine with a NSFW tag, and would hope that NSFW instances respect other instances enough to properly tag stuff.
Any instance with a gore community? Nah, screw that noise. Add it to the block list.
ShadowAether ( @ShadowAether@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year agoTbh I think an instance not enforcing tagging content as nsfw is probably very strong grounds for blocking imo
Mkengine ( @Mkengine@feddit.de ) English1•1 year agoHow exactly do I do that?
TiredSpider ( @TiredSpider@sh.itjust.works ) English22•1 year agoI’d like that shit gone too. I understand not wanting to close ourselves off too much but I think things like avoiding groups that are ok with shit like loli is a no brainer.
RobbTargaryen ( @RobbTargaryen@sh.itjust.works ) English5•1 year agoAgreed, its a big precedent to set blocking off a whole server but its ok in this extreme of a case.
kadu ( @kadu@lemmy.world ) English20•1 year agoI’d also like to have the ability to block entire instances. Not sure if the architecture would allow that, but at least the mobile apps should be able to filter out all posts from a specific instance
planish ( @planish@sh.itjust.works ) English17•1 year agoDefinitely don’t want to have it showing up in the feed here.
Not sure if we want to boot the whole remote instance, though, if it also carries communities and users that we would allow. Can we block communities at the instance level?
ArtisanalRuntime ( @ArtisanalRuntime@sh.itjust.works ) English17•1 year agoYeah, full agree. So far I’ve only had to block a few communities to get the loli to stop popping up on all, but a rogue instance could really start to spam people with pretty horrible stuff. That’s what defederation is for, it seems, but there needs to be some rules in place for when the instance ban-hammer gets called upon.
It would be very nice if clients like Jerboa allowed users to choose to ban/filter specific instances for themselves without affecting everyone else, though.
starrox ( @starrox@sh.itjust.works ) English15•1 year agoI dont think defederation is the way to go here. It could be another scenario that could be solve elegantly via a tagging system.
But I agree that stuff which is in a legal grey area or outright forbidden in many countries should not show per default on All. There already is a NSFW setting that you can activate and deactivate (this btw can solve the issue to 99% for you right now if you’re willing to pass on other NSFW content).
There could be an additional setting to see things that “might be illegal in your country of residence” or simply NSFL. If you then mark such communities appropriatly it could solve the issue for people that want a) no exposure and b) no legal risk due to being shown such communities. And I count myself among those that dont want anything to do with loli or the likes.
Oinks ( @Oinks@feddit.de ) English5•1 year agoUsers viewing illegal content is one thing but instance owners hosting it is also an issue.
I might be wrong about how content mirroring on Lemmy works but I’d imagine instance owners would clearly be liable for “publishing” any illegal content hosted on their instance.
There’s not really a way out of this using tags. And the moderation log probably needs to be purged from the actually offending content as well. And in the specific case of CP (which can include loli depending on the jurisdiction) having the content in a database might also be illegal.
So that’s a whole headache…
Barbarian ( @Barbarian@sh.itjust.works ) English9•1 year agoNo content from other instances are hosted here. When you see an image from a community on another instance, what you’re seeing is an embedded image linked from the other instance.
starrox ( @starrox@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year agoTrue, the hosting side of it all is one other big thing. I have to leave that to smarter minds than myself :O
Cracks_InTheWalls ( @Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works ) English13•1 year agoI too would like the ability to block at the instance level as a user. Haven’t come across loli, but @lemmynsfw.com does show up quite a bit when looking at All.
I have no problem at all with other sh.it.heads wanting to look at/interact with nsfw stuff from that instance, but I’m personally not interested. Given this, defederation seems extreme, but blocking on a community-by-community basis is time consuming and, as others have said, necessitates seeing the content to some degree (pretty sure you can choose whether stuff is blurred or not in your feed via the settings). I’d rather key ‘@lemmynsfw.com’ into a block list once, and go back to what I’m doing.
Supermariofan67 ( @Supermariofan67@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English13•1 year agoPlease do not. Although I don’t personally want to see lolicon stuff, many of the servers willing to host it have communities I want to interact with. For instance, burggit.moe is where the touhou communities went and is otherwise a pretty nice instance aside from loli communities.
It is content which, while understandably offensive to some, harms nobody. All fictional porn, no matter how deviant it is, is ultimately more ethical than real porn can be.
It should be up to users to block or hide instances with content they don’t wish to see, and defederation should be reserved for communities that consistently cause interference, not for communities that simply have content which one disagrees with.
hardypart ( @hardypart@feddit.de ) English9•1 year agoWhat is loli?
Martineski ( @Martineski@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English10•1 year agoUnderage anime girl
birdmancaw ( @birdmancaw@lemmy.world ) English4•1 year agoThat’s not true. It’s a petite anime girl, not underage. People keep trying to conflate the two. It’s weird because even if they have big boobs and are obviously legal people still try to shove them into the title of being underage. (like the petite sensei, Uzaki, and Hestia from Is it Wrong to Pick up Girls in a Dungeon).
delmain ( @delmain@beehaw.org ) English6•1 year agoI mean yeah of course. That character is actually a 9000-year old vampire, not a child
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birdmancaw ( @birdmancaw@lemmy.world ) English3•1 year agoOh come on, the examples I gave are one in their twenties, one in college, and one who’s a god. Their stories completely revolve around them being their ages. You are doing the exact conflating of the two I was talking about.
Faceman🇦🇺 ( @Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de ) English2•1 year agoI agree with you technically kinda, but the average person doesn’t (and never will) see a difference and trying to explain it just makes it seem to them that you are defending it.
If a normal person sees it and says … “thats wrong” then it shouldn’t be included in a default feed.
birdmancaw ( @birdmancaw@lemmy.world ) English1•1 year agoI wasn’t even talking about whether or not it should be included in the feed. I was just saying their definition is completely wrong. Defining things improperly is the basis for spreading misinformation about something.
Faceman🇦🇺 ( @Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de ) English1•1 year agoand I’m saying that sometimes the definition is irrelevant in the eyes of public opinion. If a character looks like a child, then that is all that matters.
ValetteRenoux ( @ValetteRenoux@sh.itjust.works ) English8•1 year agoIm afraid to ask, but what is loli? Definitely don’t feel like looking it up if people are that put off by it.
Hentai of underage persons. A lot of the time they’ll try to pretend it’s not by dressing it in a fantasy or scifi setting but that’s what it essentially is. I personally see it as cp
lohrun ( @lohrun@fediverse.boo ) 8•1 year agoI think as a user you can block a particular instance from showing up in your feed (for just you obviously).
Beans ( @daBeans@sh.itjust.works ) English15•1 year agoYou can’t block instances, as a user. There’s an issue for it opened on Lemmy’s git repo though. You can block communities, though that gets more tedious as more communities pop up.
manitcor ( @manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech ) English5•1 year agoneeds to be at least easy to make sure default all is sane, once a user signs in and does what they will they can see or block what they please, with start being the same sfw default .
pokexpert30 ( @pokexpert30@lemmy.pussthecat.org ) English5•1 year agoAm really confused
How do you get unsuscribed instances on your feed?
hardypart ( @hardypart@feddit.de ) English7•1 year agoYou can block a community:
B4tid0 ( @B4tid0@lemmy.world ) English6•1 year agoIf you are browsing by All then you see them all
I think , i haven’t tried but I have seen it mentioned around. That we can block communities , so maybe that’s something.
pokexpert30 ( @pokexpert30@lemmy.pussthecat.org ) English2•1 year agoSince i’m using a private instance, i don’t see other instances until i explicitly visit them, i believe.
ShadowAether ( @ShadowAether@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year agoYes, users only see communities from other instances on all that another user from their own instance has subscribed too (or I suppose that they subscribed to but usually people aren’t suprised about that)