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Edit Here is the link for those asking: https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1669488722381774849
Didn’t they literally say they wouldn’t force re-open sub reddit’s? Suprise suprise another lie.
tbh Im not surprised they would. r/piracy is both niche and wouldnt be worth to remove mods for. Subs like r/aww or r/funny however are main parts of Reddit, and this also applies to massive game subs like r/Minecraft
You know, when you look at where the subscribers were and what the default subs were, I guess this shouldn’t be surprising. There’s a reason Lemmy/Kbin already feel more like “old” Reddit, and it’s because that was always the “alt” social media users, generally a bit more tech savvy and certainly more open minded to new platforms. At some point Reddit filled up with Facebook and Instagram scrubs and I didn’t even notice.
I was definitely a power user of Reddit, but I’m not sure I was even subscribed to a single default sub. Whoever was hitting up Reddit for r/aww and r/funny was probably never going to take a principled stand over API debates and the centralization and profit chasing administrative choices.
Yeah, I don’t think they’d reopen /r/piracy. They’d take it as a win.
It’s going to be banned for being “unmoderated” sometime soon, calling it now.
Can sub that no one post to really be considered unmoderated? Like what is there to do to be “active” without post.
I don’t think they’d care
Yeah, I would bet that the default subreddits would be the ones they target with this bullshit
Embarassing, here’s to hoping that lemmy takes off
The mods of the Apple subreddit framed it as if they were making some great sacrifice by choosing to reopen the subreddit and remain in control. Obviously, the mods that are claiming this are full of shit, it’s more about the authority than it is giving a shit about a subreddit.
Man, I just checked the thread on /r/technology to see what people were saying. Everyone is shit talking mods - it’s a complete sea change since last time I was on. Weird.
Everyone who was pro-blackout is here now.
Leaving nothing but trolls, as expected. Reddit is already dead.
That and repost bots, keeping some artificial copy of the community that used to be alive indefinitely.
I was a bit stunned reading the comments on that post. They weren’t just expressing displeasure with the blackout, it was more like “spez is 100% correct to kill 3rd party apps and mods are bad people”. My first thought was trolls/astroturfing, but maybe the rules of the game just change that quickly when an addict isn’t getting their fix.
prob cause everyone who agrees with the black out has left
The /r/conservative strategy of distilling the use base down to the most ideological conformists. No dissent allowed.
People love to complain, but hate doing anything about it. Moving to lemmy is a bit of work, not much, but enough to deter a lot of idiots. I compare moving to anything Fediverse with moving to Linux. People will always complain about Windows doing this, Windows doing that. So stop using it coward!
That is such a great analogy. I keep trying to get my SO to join Lemmy, but he won’t put any effort into learning how it works or getting used to it. I’ve explained to him what the fediverse is, what instances are, and what Lemmy is at least 3 times already, but then he still got confused the other day and thought Jerboa was another instance instead of an app. It’s frustrating. People just love the familiar and don’t want to be inconvenienced whatsoever…
Sometimes, gatekeeping can be a good thing, such as here.
Let’s not forget reddit has a history of using bots to create the impression that the site is more active than it is. I don’t think it’s at all unlikely that that’s going on here.
It isn’t far fetched that they use AI-powered bots to change the common sentiment about the blackout.
This was exactly my first thought too. Afterall, the API is still free right now too, so they can use as many 3rd party bots as they want to influence public opinion.
FWIW, I saw a decent amount of discontent directed at the blackout in a lot of the subs I frequented.
Some were confused by the mods and had no idea the 3rd apps were a thing. Some were ra-ra capitalism crowd mad that people are protesting the other site’s gawd-given right to price gouge. Some were mad the blackouts didn’t go far enough…
I think the takeaway is that you can’t please everyone.
This ain’t my first go as a social media refugee. I get they want to pull a Kevin Rose and cash out. Their board’s been fucking with everything I used their site for and how I used their site. As far as I’m concerned, they can get farked.
IMO, the only thing preventing a mass exodus is platform mature enough to capitalize on their fuck-ups.
I would say it’s surprising but r/technology has been apathetic to the blackout, and that’s being generous. At the same time, it shouldn’t be surprising considering its top mod is a reddit admin.
I’m surprised that more subs have been apathetic or disagreeable to a continued blackout. Everybody’s doing polls that turn into keep-us-open-because-community. As @MrJizzard said up above (how can I tag users on here?) maybe blind support for Reddit’s moves is just what happens when users are cut off from scrolling through their content.
maybe blind support for Reddit’s moves is just what happens when users are cut off from scrolling through their content.
It is. Going to the discord of a popular sub I realized that the protest is something that only a vocal minority is willing to take to its end, whatever that is. Most people either don’t care or are too preoccupied that they can’t kill time on reddit anymore. There’s people who are advocating for removing mods just because the sub was closed, completely ignoring the fact that if it weren’t for the mods the community wouldn’t exist in its current state, the same mods who are the most impacted by the killing of 3rd party apps. I find it insane that people can be so self-absorbed and short-sighted, but that’s just how most people are.
When are we starting to call it deddit?
Perfect. Let’s start now.
Are we sure? Did the shoes come off?
Let’s make sure and kick it while it’s down!
was thinking dabbit but deddit works better, thanks
This was bound to happen. On the eve of their IPO, they need to show that the site is running normally and that it shows promise to be profitable.
Now I’m not so sure whoever they pick to be more will be up for the task considering that they have gimped mod tools.
Replacing the moderation teams of 5,000 subs should go really well. Right?
There’s a risk that disgruntled ex-redditors will collectively vote for the most terrible people they can find for mods, just to harm reddit and drive people here. That would be truly sad to see. Truly sad.
Edit: other appalling things I hope we don’t see are people going to reddit in down times only to upvote bad comments and posts, and downvote the good ones.
The very last thing we would want to see is the mods of large subs switching between private and public mode too often, because that apparently has to change permissions on all the posts in the sub, and was why reddit had downtime when they all went dark. They may even have the wild and outrageous idea to briefly turn off private simultaneously, only to go back private as a form of malicious compliance with Huffman’s warnings.
Dude, like no person with self worth will apply to being a mod at reddit after such a move. It will be a really good social experiment, some social science student will make a decent thesis out of it.
re: the second part, that’s still engagement and Reddit doesn’t care so long as the metrics are looking good. You’re better off not interacting
Yeah, the way Musk bragged about engagement while he burned down Twitter made me wary of even loading Reddit now. No way am I giving that shithead spez the satisfaction to see some, any line go up, if it does anyway it won‘t be because of me.
Replacing mods is a fun idea. But where do you get replacement mods from? Already before the whole debacle most subreddits had more or less intrusive “We are looking for new mods” statements all around their sub. One sub I’m in has a bot that comments on every post that they are urgently looking for mods.
And that was before Reddit started a war with the mods.
Are they going to let ChatGPT work as a mod?
For those who still have a reddit account, I took the liberty to remind u/spez that he, too, wasn’t democratically elected, so I created a referendum post on whether he should remain in his position as a CEO. Maybe give this an upvote if you want to.
Upvoted, but it won’t work.
Of course it won’t. But it would help to colour him as the hypocrite he is.
hypocrite
Literally founded the place; chosen by co-founders/people with stakes in the company to be their CEO. That’s how businesses work, OP, stop being silly.
No problem with that. The hypocritical part is that he argued that mods are bad, because they aren’t chosen democratically. Here’s the quote I have trouble with:
“If you’re a politician or a business owner, you are accountable to your constituents." “And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.”
He says, the mods are bad because they haven’t been elected. But neither has he.
If he wants to suppress mods because they weren’t voted in, maybe there should be a vote about his position.
undefined> mods are bad, because they aren’t chosen democratically
Why do you think a guy who started/runs the company should be held to the same standards as its users? I open a cake shop, I get to make the rules, even though I’m not ‘democratically elected’ by my customers. The very idea that someone has to vote me in is hilarious to me. If, in my shop, I let you run a lemonade stand, you won’t have the same rights as I. How is this not obvious?
So because he’s the CEO he shouldn’t be held to standards? Bold take.
But sure, he doesn’t have to follow any standards. He can run Reddit in the ground as much as he likes. But he can’t expect the mods and the users to stay if he holds others to ridiculous standards while not caring a bit about his own standards.
But he can’t expect the mods and the users to stay
I doubt he does, hence this shitstorm
That is not what they said and you know it, don’t be obtuse.
Of course the CEO of the company gets more freedom than you, a user. Guess what, if you’re in my house you have less freedom than I do. I can do whatever the fuck I want, because it’s my house. You do not get to do whatever you want in my house, because it’s my house. Bold take, I know.
Yeah his argument is dumb - if you don’t like a particular sub or how it is run, you can (or could), create a new one. This new move by reddit makes that pointlesss- literally saying if they don’t like how you run it, they’ll take it over. How is that ‘democratic’?
That’s how businesses work
Is it?
If it is, should they? Feels like you’re blindly assuming that it HAS to be that way. I wholly disagree that it does.
undefined> If it is, should they?
Don’t go late stage capitalism on me now.
Don’t go boot-licking feudalist on me now.
It’s my basic inalienable human right to scrool and upvoot my reddits with Apollo on my iPhone! Give it me now or I’ll run away you… you feudal Nazi!!1!
Some tendies before you go, Che?
@Lorez @squaresinger But their business is… not working :D
It never did, that’s the point. Ran at a loss from day one. Possible (likely?) the funding’s drying up, so might be a sink-or-swim moment for them.
I would like to but reddit is down again. LOL
Again?ˆˆ
Done, cross posted to r/madisonwi
And I’m sure these new moderators would do just as good of a job as the old passionate ones! /s
Thats just funny. The perm bans, they only ever did, ceratinly ydidn’t hurt the site
We should convince them to ask for a wage.
We seem to be getting to them. Let them hire their mods, quality will go down, and we’ll still be here :)
Edit: spelling
Yeah, moderating a large sub isn’t as shake-and-bake as the admins seem to think. They might “hire” scabs, but the scabs are probably going to slack off pretty hard and might not even understand the tools and procedures that can make it effective but not stifling to content.
Scum
btw sorry if this post is pretty ugly. First post I actually made to Lemmy
Whelp, I finally made my account, first post! Just need more popcorn! Sadly this move seemed inevitable.
Welcome! Lemmy/Kbin is already better than reddit.
If you’re used to being a lurker, get ready to practice your creativity skills along with critical thinking and enthusiasm. Put down that popcorn and pick up a podium!
I wasn’t a lurker, I commented quite a bit. I didn’t really post too many posts though so I’ll see if I can do more of that.
Just giving you shit. Happy to have you!
Especially for something piracy related? Yeah, fuck the corpos!
If I was disney/apple/amazon/whatever big corp now it would be the time to put my own people in charge of popular subreddits and astroturf my way through hell