They could certainly do better, but they do quite a bit yeah.

It’s not just Apple. Almost all manufacturers offer water resistant flagship phones (and mid-rangers). ASUS, Xiaomi, Oppo, Huawei, Sony, Samsung, Vivo, Honor…

However, the phones are NOT water-proof. From none of these (neither Apple). They are water-resistant, which is a big difference and they are just required to not be damaged if submerged underwater for 30 minutes, 1.5m, if they want IP68.

Phones and smartwatches are not resistant to condensation or water getting in – water can still get in, as they’re NOT impervious (smartwatches if they have speakers), which is actually required for calling your device truly “water proof”. Water resistant is literally two steps below that.

There has been some marketing claiming water proof devices. This was just wrong.

How is “water proof” defined in the legislation? Apple carefully says their devices are water resistant. There is a possibility that it will not qualify.

For real, as an American I’m super grateful.

i believe the law is more about easily being able to replace a battery for repair than being able to swap it on the go

We can relive having your phone explode into three separate pieces when you drop it! Seriously though, this is good news in my opinion.

I doubt they’ll circumvent this. They don’t seem to circumvent the mandated USB-C port if the rumors are to be trusted.

Yeah. And battery issues are one of the biggest sources of new phone purchases. This is going to help reduce e-waste for sure.

“Exciting”

Yes, for sure. My last phone lasted two months shy of 6 years, and was replaced because of a touch issue (a little strip across the screen no longer acted on touch, which made typing and other stuff completely impossible), and was only “fine” in regards to battery because it was a huge one to begin with (+4Ah for a 5" screen). The battery was definitely way worse than original, but still on par with some new phones today lol

Naturally. Just a shame it isn’t a bit earlier :P

It’s the first time I hear about Fairphone. How they embrace repairability is amazing. I hope they’ll expand to North America at one point.

I’ve had this thought in the past, but upon further research, on a smartphone scale it runs into a few issues.

A PC has relatively divorced components because it has the space to accommodate slots, but that already goes out the window for laptops; the best you get is RAM and maybe MXM. People generally want slimmer and more battery-dense products, so motherboards with everything soldered can manage to be absolutely tiny (see: newer macbooks) compared to ones where everything is slotted. Newer smartphones don’t just last longer on battery because they’re bigger; much of the internal volume of a smartphone is now to hold the battery as everything around it shrinks. Modular connectors cost volume and money, for a use case where both are at a premium; most people would generally rather buy a non-modular phone that gets better battery life and offers better water resistance.

As evidenced by the Note 7, batteries also need a decent bit of structural integrity around them to be safe, and the best way to accomplish that is just a 2-part box that’s been glued together. This has the side effect of making water resistance easier and slimming the phone down. Any swappable battery inherently has worse water resistance and volumetric efficiency than a pouch csll in a glued box, and manufacturers value both good battery life and things not blowing up.

Smartphone CPUs (or rather SoCs) contain not only the CPU bit, but important parts of the radio, camera processing, location processing, and GPU. Therefore Android ones come with driver packs from manufacturers that make it all work, but if you’re swapping components around you need to make sure your sensors like cameras have a way to install drivers (and a general compatibility standard); which means at best you’re swapping pretty big chunks of a smartphone at a time.

Even without forced obsolescence, smartphones have a relatively fixed lifespan of ~5-8 years due to software upgrades, how carriers buy up new radio frequencies, physical damage, battery degradation, vibration motor wear, camera focusing mechanism wear (from vibrations) and in the case of AMOLED display wear. This isn’t a knock on standardization, but you can already achieve this lifespan out of a smartphone if you use something like Advanced Charging Controller to limit battery charge to 80%.

If you look at Project Ara (which is the most extreme case of modularity), it failed because of all of the above. The battery life, structural integrity, cost efficiency, compatibility, and waterproofness would all be awful compared to a standard phone.

That would be quite utopian, however I feel such a thing would be incredible hard to achieve. Different form factors require different layouts, space is much tighter and should not be wasted. In desktop PC land, you have plenty of room to fit things as you want.
It may not be showstopper, but it’s certainly a challenge. And of course, companies won’t like it :P

My last two phones both got slow as their batteries got bad, and were basically like new after replacing them. My current phone doesn’t allow swapping the batteries.

For someone thrifty, being able to replace the battery can extend a phone’s life 2x or more. Even if you don’t want to keep using it, you could still resell it or give it to someone who doesn’t need the newest phones. Non-swappable batteries are a form of planned obsolescence, in addition to just being more compact and probably a little cheaper.

I’ve had my current phone for around 5 years. I’m on the latest LineageOS. I have no speed issues. The battery is starting to show signs of age. My previous phone had a longer life and got through two batteries. It was up to date with LineageOS until it’s last days. It was lack of RAM that did it in. My current phone still has mid level amount of RAM.

EU needs to look at updatablity next. If the vendors no longer provides real updates, they should unlock the bootloader. Really I want phones to like PCs and not require a custom OS each…

I imagine they can still use screws and the connectors like they do. The screws just need to be some place you can get to without having to use a heat gun to remove your entire damn screen.

Exactly! It bums me so much that the vast majority of the money you spent buying the device and of the money spent making the device is completely thrown out because you can’t replace a little component that was perfectly replaceable 10 years ago… 🙄

That’s pretty much how it used to work.

The main reasons why it changed are:

• Space, as a connector is slightly bigger than a soldered connection, and the battery itself has to be slightly bigger and stronger too to be safe to transport and handle without being protected by the phone’s case.

• Water resistance; it’s far easier to make a phone’s case waterproof by just glueing the whole thing shut than having to use seals and gaskets and such to make it possible to open and close it at will.

LG had some phones like that in 2016ish, on the G5 the entire bottom of the phone slid out to reveal a big battery slot and on the V20 there was a button that let the metal back of the phone pop off so you could change the battery. I had an external battery charger and a couple of spare batteries for my V20, so I could just pack spare batteries and swap them whenever it got low. I never even bothered to plug my phone in, it was always just faster to pop in a battery that was already fully charged. It didn’t have any water resistance, but it was a pretty small price to pay for endless battery life

It’s a shame that LG’s whole phone division went under, because they were making some of the coolest phones that came out that whole decade

@binboupan @tmpod I’d say it’s simply space. To make modern smartphones have enough power for the day, the battery has to be as large as possible. Generally, it’s sandwiched directly between the screen and the backcover.

The reason they’re not removeable anymore is because this way manufacturers don’t need to put the battery in a plastic casing, leaving more space for energy.

I mean, you could also just make the smartphones bigger, but people want them as flat as possible.

I don’t see an issue, but perhaps nobody ever thought to really try shipping a device with something like that. Specially since the water proofing advent.

Louis Rossmann did a video on this and pointed out that there were phones that had IP67 (Samsung Galaxy S5) or even IP68 (some Sony phone) rating with user replaceable batteries. So yeah, they should be.

I don’t see why they wouldn’t be.

It wasn’t all that long ago that we had waterproof phones, with similar ratings as current phones, whilst also having a replaceable battery.

The Samsung Galaxy S5 had an IP67 rating, for example, despite having a headphone jack, and a replaceable battery/removable back. (it also featured wireless charging, which was surprisingly forward for the time).

Good question. I’m sure there’s still ways to make them water proof, even if it requires some little screws. Still, I’d rather have replaceable battery rather than total water tight casing.

Yeah, I support that decision :P
I personally don’t see that much value in water proofing, I’ve never came across a situation where I thought it would have been rather helpful to have water proofing. Maybe I’ve just been very lucky hehe

Unfortunately you’ll have to wait until 2027 so your current 5 year old phone will probably be long dead by that point.

In general, that’s definitely a problem too. Just look at Windows 11. Now M$ wants you to buy a new laptop such that their OS can run at all. I use a >10y old laptop with Linux. No performance issues for everyday use.

Going from Google-Android to LineageOS boosted the battery life of my old Smartphone by a factor 3 roughly. There where some Google-things consuming battery in the background, probably spying on me. Also using simple Apps from F-Droid helps to get a smooth experience.

This is dramatically the opposite of my experience. I’ve never had a usb-c port die, but the microUSB ports were fragile as heck.

I’ve had cheapo USB-C cables die but that’s because cheap.

Wireless charging solves most of that.

mm maybe. connectors should definitely have a tiny magnet, but its still rare…