- TimeSquirrel ( @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social ) 149•11 months ago
For the millionth time, Stallman was right.
- kevin ( @kevin@programming.dev ) 92•11 months ago
Yep, you send me html, my browser can interpret it any way that I want it to. If I want to ignore all of the image and script tags, I can. I don’t need Chrome or even Chromium. As Stallman says, you should know what is running on your system.
- 0x4E4F ( @0x4E4F@lemmy.rollenspiel.monster ) 6•11 months ago
That doesn’t mean his strategy and approach is good.
- nicman24 ( @nicman24@kbin.social ) 134•11 months ago
Stop using chrome. Yes brave is chrome
- SkullGamer205 :endOwOs: ( @SkullGamer205@mastodon.ml ) 7•11 months ago
@nicman24 Fox is chrome…
- chocobo13z ( @chocobo13z@pawb.social ) 95•11 months ago
Gecko, the underlying engine behind Firefox, is an entirely different code base from Chromium
- Mic_Check_One_Two ( @Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com ) 49•11 months ago
Firefox doesn’t use chromium. It uses Gecko, which is an entirely separate codebase.
- FluffyToaster621 ( @FluffyToaster621@lemm.ee ) 48•11 months ago
Firefox uses their own engine IIRC, that’s why more people should be using it so we can get some competition with Chromium.
- Flaky ( @Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi ) 16•11 months ago
I think the management’s recent decisions, as well as the removal/lack of power-user features for those users, have moved a lot of people away from Firefox, myself included. They really need to focus on providing really good software, not get caught up in trying to chase trends or forcing services people don’t want. This WIRED article does a good job explaining the issues.
I am keeping an eye on Pulse Browser, which is an experimental fork of Firefox with uBlock Origin pre-installed and some UI customisations. They’ve got a sidebar with “web panels” very much like Vivaldi’s Panels, and they’ve got vertical tabs like Edge. People also seem to be posting suggestions to their discussion page on GitHub. It’s early days, but if they listen and try to implement some of the suggested features to their best ability, it could be a much better Firefox than Firefox itself.
- randomguy2323 ( @randomguy2323@lemmy.kevitprojects.com ) 10•11 months ago
Yeah but if you dont support Mozilla Firefox the project will run out of resources and only one engine will be left chromium.
- Flaky ( @Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi ) 3•11 months ago
Oh, I support Gecko. More browser engines to compete against Chromium the better. I just can’t support Firefox in its current state right now. Thankfully, Pulse seems to be picking up the slack in places.
- FluffyToaster621 ( @FluffyToaster621@lemm.ee ) 8•11 months ago
Thank you for mentioning a non-chromium browser with vertical tabs, genuinely something FF would benefit from.
- Flaky ( @Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi ) 4•11 months ago
No problem! Tree Style Tabs might also do the job on base Firefox with nested tabs, but it’s not as streamlined as Pulse or Edge, especially if you want to hide the tab bar (you have to edit .CSS files).
edit: okay enabling both features, moving the main side panel to the right and enable tab collapsing makes a great space-saving setup.
edit 2: now i’m using pulse as my main browser
- Smoogy ( @Smoogy@kbin.social ) 3•11 months ago
But that’s also not private as has been claimed as a reason to go FF. The only reason to use FF is only to not use chrome. Not for all the reasons that chrome is bad.
- zucky ( @zucky@lemm.ee ) 9•11 months ago
Tor Browser, LibreWolf, and Arkenfox JS are the most secure and private browsers you can get and they’re all based on Firefox. If they’re not private enough for you, I don’t know what is
- nicman24 ( @nicman24@kbin.social ) 1•11 months ago
Ikr
- IntentionallyAnon ( @IntentionallyAnon@lemm.ee ) 73•11 months ago
DRM is stupid because it interferes with paying customers and isn’t effective. If there’s a will there’s a way
- Malgas ( @Malgas@beehaw.org ) 7•11 months ago
It’s also stupid because it’s encryption but Bob and Eve are the same person.
- OtakuAltair ( @OtakuAltair@lemm.ee ) 71•11 months ago
Just use Firefox, Mozilla already put their stance forward as opposing this garbage
Firefox is faster than chrome anyway nowadays.
- limecool ( @limecool@lemmy.ml ) 4•11 months ago
That may be true on desktop. But, unfortunately, the mobile app is way behind chromium. From being unresponsive, to outright buggy. It’s not a good experince. It’s been 2 years since the rewrite but it’s not getting much better or even close to fixing most of its issue. Meaning, using firefox on android is a handicap on yourself.
- verdigris ( @verdigris@lemmy.ml ) 12•11 months ago
Gonna need some statistics on this, because your anecdotal experience is not at all like mine. FF is totally useable on Android.
- limecool ( @limecool@lemmy.ml ) 3•11 months ago
I have used Firefox on many smartphones since 2014. It’s not an anecdotal experience of mine. It’s the difference between chromium based browsers on android being more efficient compared to Firefox. Here’s the github issue which was open from 2020, now moved to Bugzilla: https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix/issues/12731#event-8105829420
If this did not happen it would not have been kept open for so long. Just search tab reload in closed issues you will people still complaining while the repo was accessible.
Bugzilla issue from 2 years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1752594
The migrated issue from github: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1807364
- verdigris ( @verdigris@lemmy.ml ) 2•11 months ago
Thanks for the concrete reply! I assume if this bug is affecting me it’s just not enough of an issue to be noticable on my hardware (Pixel 5)
- mayonaise_met ( @mayonaise_met@feddit.nl ) 9•11 months ago
I use it because I can use it to block ads. If a page doesn’t work, I’ll use chrome.
I actually use Chrome on Windows. I just dislike ads more than I like Chrome.
- PoopBuffet69 ( @PoopBuffet69@lemmy.sdf.org ) 3•11 months ago
I am basically the same. I’m loving the ability to use uBlock Origin across phone and desktop and practically never see ads, but some sites just don’t work for me in Firefox. Like anything where I have signed up with my Google account, or my online banking. In which case I have Chrome installed as a backup. If I could purge it completely I would, but this works for now.
- bipmi ( @bipmi@beehaw.org ) 8•11 months ago
Ive used FF on my android phone for years and had no noteworthy issues the entire time, not sure what youre on about
- limecool ( @limecool@lemmy.ml ) 3•11 months ago
I’m talking about the tab reload issue. Check my reply to other comment. Where I link issues. Basically you cannot fill forms, multi task or do stuff without the tab reloading on you. This issue has been ongoing since 2020. I changed phones but this issue did not change once. Permalink to that comment: https://lemmy.ml/comment/2013238
- bipmi ( @bipmi@beehaw.org ) 3•11 months ago
Ive never had any issue like that to be honest, and I have been using FF literally daily for years. Most of my social circle are yucky apple product users so I haven’t even heard of this issue until now. Im sorry you and other people have it because tbh FF is basically perfect, at least for what I need it for
- limecool ( @limecool@lemmy.ml ) 2•11 months ago
Thanks for acknowledging the issue. I’m on android which could make some difference. I install Firefox with ublock origin as good adblocking solution for others. Most do not appear to notice this issue so it’s not a problem. Hopefully, it’s fixed for the ones experiencing this issue.
- Lemminary ( @Lemminary@lemmy.ml ) 6•11 months ago
That has not been my experience with FF on mobile and my phone is a few years old
- Perfide ( @Perfide@reddthat.com ) 1•11 months ago
Are you kidding?! Firefox on android isn’t just better than Chrome in feature set, as it has been for like a decade, it’s been faster than Chrome for at least a year, in my personal experience.
- CrypticCoffee ( @CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml ) 1•11 months ago
As someone who has used Firefox on Android for 9 years plus… “lol, wut?!”
It was bad, 7 years ago, and has been solid for at least 4 years.
- artaxthehappyhorse ( @artaxthehappyhorse@lemmy.ml ) 55•11 months ago
Ah yes, 2023. The year I wore a pirate hat and touched more grass. Soon they’ll be bribing the govt to make going outside illegal.
- L'unico Dee ( @lunicoDee@feddit.it ) 33•11 months ago
Soon they’ll be bribing the govt to make going outside illegal.
That was 2020
- theneverfox ( @theneverfox@pawb.social ) English9•11 months ago
Oh don’t worry, it’s poisoned and the animals are gone. Once the heat bakes off the greenery, there will be no reason at all to go out there except to get to your car
- Andrew ( @Andrew15_5@mander.xyz ) 52•11 months ago
API changes*
- ImplyingImplications ( @ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ) 69•11 months ago
No no, they changed their beer. I hear they added more hops to it.
- chetradley ( @chetradley@lemm.ee ) 5•11 months ago
Ok, I’m going to need to see some ID.
- FrostyCaveman ( @FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee ) 3•11 months ago
Oh no, not the Pub Environment Integrity
- bobs_monkey ( @bobs_monkey@lemm.ee ) 3•11 months ago
Easy there, McLovin
dab ym spoo!
- Earthsiege ( @Earthsiege@beehaw.org ) 5•11 months ago
… Are those words?
- chocobo13z ( @chocobo13z@pawb.social ) 4•11 months ago
Read it backwards
- 001100 010010 ( @001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English37•11 months ago
“What’s internet? It it like Googlenet but worse?”
-Some kid in the future
- Dekthro ( @Dekthro@lemm.ee ) 34•11 months ago
Plus the paid streaming services adding ads back in and they are all the SAME fucking ads?
🎶 Do what you want because a pirate is a free, you are a pirate! 🎶
- CrowAirbrush ( @CrowAirbrush@lemm.ee ) 1•11 months ago
I just dusted off my pirate flag, the rising costs of everything has made it impossible for me to do the legal thing.
I’ll start my journey sailing the vast sees upcoming weekend.
- Queen HawlSera ( @HawlSera@lemm.ee ) 31•11 months ago
Wait, Google’s doing what now?
- tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺 ( @tryptaminev@feddit.de ) 65•11 months ago
They want to implement a “feature” so websites only load for you, if your browser, OS and hardware are deemed “trustworthy” aka you load every ad and malware that the website wants to shove down your throat.
- Queen HawlSera ( @HawlSera@lemm.ee ) 17•11 months ago
Oh God… I think I’m going to be sick. It’s too easy to see how you could weaponize this against dissenters.
Don’t like something about our product? Have fun being banned from the internet!
- bobs_monkey ( @bobs_monkey@lemm.ee ) 21•11 months ago
Not even dissenters, just people in general. That’s why they’re likening it to DRM. Run something nonstandard on your system (ie Linux)? Get with the program. It’s a continuation of “you don’t own anything, use it how we want you to use it or don’t use it at all.”
- Queen HawlSera ( @HawlSera@lemm.ee ) 10•11 months ago
Fuck this goes deeper than I thought
- kek_w_lol ( @kek_w_lol@lemmy.one ) 28•11 months ago
We’ll make out own internet! With blackjack and hookers!
- version_unsorted ( @version_unsorted@lemmy.ml ) 3•11 months ago
You know what, forget the internet!
- explodicle ( @explodicle@local106.com ) 2•11 months ago
You jest but I’m feeling pretty ready to switch to mesh networking. I’d rather have a libre internet than faster bandwidth.
- chanchard ( @chanchard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 27•11 months ago
Does anyone else think that maybe this may cause a shift back to times before internet
- Destide ( @sirico@feddit.uk ) 23•11 months ago
Dyslexic’s being attacked by that font
- NuPNuA ( @NuPNuA@lemm.ee ) 21•11 months ago
Reddit don’t have IPA on tap anymore?
- raidenfox ( @raidenfox@lemmy.ml ) 14•11 months ago
tbh I’m just tired of all of this, we can’t have nice things, ever… Every fucking thing in this world is being swallowed by corporate greed. Every service there’s a catch, and I’m getting mad with it, things aren’t made to serve their purpose, they only exist to make money and more money for people who already have infinite money, it’s frustrating. Things need to change or everything is going to collapse… fuck companies, fuck billionaires, fuck stocks, fuck all of this
- 🇰 🔵 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️ ( @Kolanaki@yiffit.net ) 12•11 months ago
I’m used to dealing with DRM, too. If it can be stripped out of a game or other software, it could be stripped out of the internet itself. Maybe some of the old cracking scenes that quit due to boredom will return for the challenge.
- IntentionallyAnon ( @IntentionallyAnon@lemm.ee ) 3•11 months ago
Analog hole exists and will be prevalent on new internet unless they push DRM monitor https://xkcd.com/129/
- PeWu ( @PeWu@lemmy.ml ) 3•11 months ago
You can be sure as hell they will. If greater the force, the greater the resistance.
- Trarmp ( @Trarmp@feddit.nl ) 3•11 months ago
It’s interesting to think about from a technological point of view, and there could be multiple ingress points to combat it.
The proposal doesn’t have a complete implementation, but it in essence they want websites to ask browsers for a key if sorts (attestation). In theory this flow would be a lot like hoe notifications work. Keeping that in mind, when the website asks the browser, what’s stopping us from making our own attestation server?