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and 3 years later they’ll end the support.
That’s a new hell-on-eath I wasn’t aware of. Yikes.
A good argument for open source
I love my FLOSS penis
So, soft-ware?
Sometimes it’s hardware
Sometimes software, sometimes hardware… it’s the new semi-ware!
That’s actually where the term “firmware” comes from!
Lol, flaccidware
And even if open source doesn’t fit their business model for any reason, there should be regulations that force these companies to open source everything in any situation that they stop offering support.
Terrifying. No government bailout for improving people’s life quality…
No, they’re far too busy using taxpayer money to bail out banks and businesses that are “too big to fail”.
Wow that made me so fucking uncomfortable, from the serious adverse affects requiring surgical intervention, the company trying to shout down negativity and just leaving these poor people to continue suffering….
It’s all so horrid, I can’t imagine the stress and impact
Thanks for sharing.
imagine physically embedding the fucking musk into your brain, VOLUNTARILY. i can’t imagine anything worse in the world
People are still driving Teslas right now. Pretty much the same in my book. You’re trusting your life to a proven moron.
Elongated Muskrat has very little to do with the inner works of the company now. Even in the heights of his involvement, by his own account, his input was tangential at best, like “we make expensive car now, use this money to make cheaper car” and “we call it x because x is the best name ever”
Don’t forget “The Tesla Model series will spell out SEXY” and “Oh, Ford already claimed Model E? Model 3 it is, 1337!”
The most important of decisions
The ongoing litigation against the company begs to differ. Also didn’t Musk step down as CEO of Twitter a while back? It seems his tangential bullshit has quite an impact. I’ll be honest I think the people actually working at Tesla do their best to try to moderate his unadulterated fuck ups. But they’re not safe from it and neither is anyone else who does business with them.
Well the disabled people getting this implant probably don’t care about musk, it’s legitimately a cool technology and good competition for the medical space.
Musk is a cuck still, and I’m sure we’ll have to wait a couple generations before we get the dystopian stuff in Neurallink
Yup. Gotta sell it as a medical miracle before you can sell it as a commercial product.
i can’t imagine anything worse in the world
I can… there are literally people who are willing to participate in Musk’s Mars colonization fantasies. They stand about as much chance of success (or survival) as those people who got imploded in that Titanic sub - except their deaths won’t be as quick and merciful.
Imagine living on Mars in a tiny hut that you can never leave while you slowly starve to death all while Musk is telling everyone on Earth how cool an successful his new colony is. New volunteers continue to arrive in waves while promises go unfulfilled and an endless line of corporate stooges tells you that you are lying about the conditions.
At least the new arrivals will have a fresh supply of meat - Mars is pretty cold, after all.
I’d encourage those people, less dumbasses on our planet.
I’m starting to get some real Golgafrincham vibes.
But some people if they get the chance they would even eat musk poop.
Apparently at least the downvoters on that post, yes.
Musk is doing more to make people realize how garbage capitalism is than Marx ever could.
I’m not putting anything in me that’s not foss. I worry for the tech illiterate though when they eventually adopt this idea.
I agree, I love the idea of a brain chip, but not if someone can change licensing terms on something that’s INSTALLED in me.
Are you going to be that picky when they’re fitting you with a pacemaker?
I agree if it’s just something for fun though, although personally I’d err on the side of not putting anything in me at all thanks very much. I’m quite happy with my tech on the outside where it belongs.
Pacemakers don’t have software, they just have firmware. They don’t get any updates and don’t have to, so this is a non-issue with them.
Are you going to be that picky when they’re fitting you with a pacemaker?
Yes.
Liberty or death
Dude, look at the current support for audio drivers. Do you really want to deal with that for your ears?
Just kidding I don’t know anything about audio drivers 😂
I remember having to figure out why audio was not working on a new installation. That was once, probably ~5 years ago and was fixed quickly once I found a solution online.
I’d vastly prefer my ears to stop working intermittently due to a FOSS driver issue over a corporate overlord installing bloat, spyware, demanding regular payment for the privilege of them not deleting my driver, just to drop support for them some years later anyway.
If the audio doesn’t work, I want to be sure it is because of me, not some tech-suit trying to make me pay more for their rubbish services
- SSUPII ( @SSUPII@sopuli.xyz ) 5•1 year ago
What’s wrong? It’s time to repair your brain’s Pulseaudio configuration after an update!
Neuralink is an excellent advancement for brain science and it is greatly going to help disabled people and those with little function left over their bodies. It’s okay to celebrate this technology while also hating musk.
Like SpaceX, they’ve both been excellent ventures that he so far hasn’t ruined (probably thanks to the people he delegates to). Just because it’s fashionable to hate him for how he’s absolutely fucked over Twitter (which i’ll remind everyone we’ve always hated and agreed is bad, use Mastodon instead) doesn’t mean his other companies largely spearheaded by others, and their results, are also bad.
That’s not even to mention that the kind of dystopian technology people are imagining isn’t anywhere close to what the Neuralink device is actually capable of. What everyones fearmongering over is still just science fiction. It’s just barely able to interpret brain signals, it’s not as powerful as everyone makes it out to be.
2nd edit: forgot what instance I’m on, this comment probably ain’t going to do well lol
That’s not even to mention that the kind of dystopian technology people are imagining isn’t anywhere close to what the Neuralink device is actually capable of.
Yet. They’ll get to work on that just as soon as they can, don’t you worry!
The brain science and neurology advancements that would be required to get to such a point would be absolute mind-blowing breakthroughs in medical science and would completely change the world as we know it. The mental/personality disorders we could now understand and solve would make me so hopeful for humanity and the upbringing of welfare for everyone. This would without question be a good thing.
Yes and at one time sickness was caused by the devil, then germs were found. One day it’ll probably happen. Idk if we’ll be alive or not by then but time will tell, exponential growth in tech and all.
Almost everything can be good or bad. A.I could save us all, or it could go skynet. Nanobots could be great for surgery, but also great for grey goop. Hell, something as simple as guns, it depends on who is using it and why, and brain implants are a pretty big figurative gun. They could be the savior of humanity, or they could be the device which finally enslaves it in near totality, it’s definitly something to consider.
I’m pretty sure being able to continuously observe with such a device how the brain works will speed up research in the field.
Also, whether this is a good thing is very questionable. I expect that in the future these devices will contribute a lot to being able to manipulate any users emitions and thoughts in any way, without them noticing or being able to fight against it. First by giving more insight on a person’s way of thinking to data brokers, more efficient targeted advertisements and news can be fed to them, and later by directly manipulating how the brain works.
I kind of agree. While I think they are not that bad as far as advancements go, most of it is shitstained by Musk, who has to be seen at all cost and have to be seen as the ultimate inventor of everything.
He wants to be seen, stay relevant, and be the boss of everything, that he usually makes dumb decisions, which is a stain on a company mostly relying on a foundation of very intelligent people.
I agree with your assessment except saying that SpaceX’s advancements are “not that bad” is a massive understatement. They’ve completely disrupted and forever changed the space launch industry, with the help of government subsidies.
Everyone also forgets how Starlink is serving remote indigenous communities and scared the pants off shitty dominant ISPs that have been screwing rural communities over since forever.
I’ll re-emphasize my point that I think the results of some large companies, which comprises the efforts of many many smart people, can have facets of it be considered overwhelmingly good.
Edit: some more words
These ventures succeeded despite him, not because of him.
I guess they may have come into existence without him. Unfortunately with the way capitalism has a death grip on the world… it seems like the only way risky ventures get off the ground is through the whims of megamaniacal filthy rich motherfuckers.
Truth.
Whenever I hear someone unironically use the term “disrupted” I just know I’m going to be hearing some capitalist parasite being glorified for doing something expensive that a government did much cheaper half a century ago.
Space launches were “much cheaper” a half a century ago? You don’t really follow any space news whatsoever do you? That’s patently false.
No, the entire space exploration attempt was much cheaper half a century ago - neither the US nor Soviet space programs wasted labor or resources enriching billionaire parasites. There is absolutely nothing that can be performed by parasites such as Musk or Bezos that cannot be done far better, more efficiently and more effectively through public means.
Can you provide a source showing space exploration was “much cheaper” half a century ago than SpaceX’s current costs to getting payloads into orbit? It sounds like you’re just assuming it would be cheaper from your idealogical leanings than that actually being the case.
A half a century ago the US and USSR were devoting a significant fraction of their entre GDP in the space race to blast people into space on some of the largest rockets ever built, mostly for national security and military concerns And that’s not even to speak of the “safety standards” they had and ignored in order to win.
The later shuttle program itself was a massive MASSIVE expenditure and no one in their right mind would EVER say it was an efficient and cheaper per kg in LEO.
You’re just straight up wrong.
Yeah, hold on… let me compare the costs of enriching a billionaire parasite piggybacking off publicly-funded programs that developed all the technology said billionaire parasite is piggybacking off with said publicly-funded programs.
No, Clyde, it was cheaper - because we actually got results other than merely enriching a billionaire parasite.
Your brain has been so addled with “free market” fairy tales that you might just as well believe a glass slipper will magically turn you into royalty. There is absolutely nothing parasites like Musk can do that we couldn’t do far, far better, much more efficiently and far cheaper through public means - and that’s it.
Does it work though?
I only ask this because Musk has been promising full self driving in Teslas “next year” for about a decade now, so any claims made should be taken with an enormous pinch of salt.
By all appearances yes, it’s an appreciable jump in the technology compared to current brain interfaces that are used for the immobile. They did a whole live tech demo with pigs as well as the people he’s hired to work on it there. He has top level surgeons and neuroscientists all working on it who choose to be there. Oh and also it just passed FDA approval for testing in humans.
It would be hard to bullshit this passed all the people involved. I have the belief it’s quite a different situation compared to the continuing failure of FSD.
It would be hard to bullshit this passed all the people involved.
Do you not understand people? It’s easier to BS 10 people than 1. You just BS 100 and the 10 weakest people tell you who they are. People who want to work on brain interfaces want it to work. Whether it actually works or not depends on the real world, not the number of people involved.
This comment doesn’t make it sound like you have much real world experience. Maybe read literally anything about Neuralink and BMIs, I’ve been following this for years.
I want to thank Facebook for making it blatantly obvious to us that we should never get any brain implants. They’ll definitely use them to read your thoughts and push ads straight into your consciousness. Oh, and you’ll probably have to pay a subscription.
Your tinnitus will get progressively louder until you pay your bill
Hello Satan. I didn’t realize you use Lemmy.
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I’m sure these implants will give much needed ease to patients who suffer frem tremors like parkinson and other neurological diseases. But the things I’m mostly concerned about are:
- Will health insurance pay for the implant in a one-time-payment? Will it be a subscription model? What happens when you can’t pay your subscription? Will it be shut off?
- Will the implant be operated through firmware (like a pacemaker) or software, which reqires frequent updates? If so, will there be - like computer software - “new features” implemented (“With version 2.0 you will be able to share your Neuralink experience with other Neuralink users. Your data may not be leaked, pinky promise.”
- What if a certain mentally unstable CEO throws a tantrum that will affect the performance of the Neuralink implant negatively? Will there be any legal protection from such thing?
The thought that frightens me even more (although I am not a neurologist) is that if this is installed in children, and the neural pathways for the child’s basic functions are formed to pass through that implant, removing the implant will render the child unable to think.
Oh god, new horrors just dropped
OPEN SOURCE IMPLANTS
I accidentally uninstalled the visual cortex drivers and now I can’t use my eyes to reinstall, any help is appreciated
gonna have to reboot yourself and try again in the next life.
Thank you, trying that now
Laughs in windows helpdesk support
Sorry, but that’s what you get for buying NVidia eyes
Far be it from me to suggest that tech bros won’t ruin a good thing, I really don’t think these will have a subscription model because they probably won’t have any kind of internet connectivity. They’ll be like pacemakers, purpose built for a specific function (prevent tremors, reverse paralysis, etc) and designed to only do that function for as long as possible.
I’m sure there will be upgradable firmware at some point in the future but having your brain be connected to any kind of cloud service is the worst idea I’ve ever heard of.
I’m sure there will be upgradable firmware at some point in the future but having your brain be connected to any kind of cloud service is the worst idea I’ve ever heard of.
With Musk at the helm, I wouldn’t be surprised if the worst ideas are the ones he wants the most.
Of course many comments in this threas are exaggerated; there won’t be played any ads into your brain.
But there are some implications for the usage of Neuralink that are worth thinking about it - especially when it comes to privacy:
Given that it “just” runs with firmware, so that the implant can function in a way most stable and reliably, and also given that there will be no subscription model involved into all of that, will the user (patient) be able to control the functionality of the implant (e.g. controlling the intensity of the eletric signal sent out from the implant to counteract the intensity of a tremor)?
And how will that happen? One thing I could think of is to control the implant with a smartphone app. How good will that smartphone app be? Will it be programmed sloppily like these apps we know from Internet-Of-Things-Apps and have a ton of bugs? Are those (medicinal!) apps secure in terms of privacy? What is with the product support? Will the implant be discontinued after a few years (and also the app)? What if your smartphone fails (no power or hardware failure, or after an update it doesn’t work)?
A friend of mine has an app to monitor her blood sugar. She is not qute satified with the app. Luckily the provider of those diabetes sensors provided a separate device, so that the app is just an addition for measuring when you are travelling, for example. But in their last iteration they tried to omit the separate device, probably in order to save costs. My friend had to explicitly ask for it.
With that in mind I’m not keen on having control on such medicinal devices with a smartphone only. If the smartphone fails, there would be no backup. Will such similar things be the case regarding Neuralink?
The last talks they gave mentioned it is controlled via Bluetooth. So any Bluetooth capable device would be able to connect with it.
Current focus is to use the device as an input device for computers/phones.
and also given that there will be no subscription model involved into all of that,
oh you sweet, sweet summer child.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60416058 related. It’s going to be a subscription service and Musk is going to have his fanboys hooked in for the short life of the company.
“The short life of the company” might not be exclusive to the company if elon doesn’t go back to normal.
Can’t wait to sell my excess brain power to crypto miners
Bold claim.
EDIT: It’s a joke about claiming to have extra brain cycles.
Indeed, it would probably be mandated in the EULA to provide it for free.
Fox Viewers: ‘Don’t get vaccinated because there are brain controlling microchips hidden in the jab.’ Also Fox Viewers: ‘I can’t wait to get one of Elon’s brain chips to own the libs!’
Wow, who did Elon have to fuck to get FDA approval for a brain chip that’s killed numerous test subjects.
Edit: Just a friendly reminder that ublock, sponsorblock, newpipe x sponsorblock, libretube, youtube piped exist
I’ve not yet seen any indication as to what exactly they have approval to test. My guess is it’s literally just something like testing an electrode gel that goes on your skin as part of the process or at most the external parts that interface with the implant. There’s an endless world of things the FDA could have given them approval to test as part of their project that doesn’t involve actually cracking anyone’s skull open and jamming stuff in there to watch them die like the monkeys did. After you get the approval to test your application sponge on real human subject, you launch a press release stating “Neuralink gets FDA approval to move to human testing!” and await that sweet delivious investor money.
Even if Muskrat weren’t involved, this still has a hell no from me. You leave me and the voices alone.
Although Star Wars cybernetic hands would be dope.
A LOT of things would have to change for me to consider it. For a start, I wouldn’t want it made by a shareholder owned, for-profit corporation.
I’ll take the Army of Darkness gauntlet version thank you
Based.
But are you Good Ash or Bad Ash?
Yes.
Good? Bad? I’m the guy with the gun.
Brain-computer/machine interfaces are really interesting when treating conditions like paralysis or Parkinson’s disease, and to a certain extent severe psychiatric conditions if you count deep brain stimulation for e.g. severe OCD. I don’t think we’ll be anywhere near sending detailed multisensory content like ads into people’s brains for a long time though. That’s so far outside the scope of what brain stimulation can do right now, it’s really just scifi.
- demystify ( @demystify@lemmy.ml ) English8•1 year ago
Technology progresses pretty fast today, especially where there’s money. Who knows, maybe in a decade or so it’ll already be possible, especially if this goes mainstream.
It does, but it’s important to note that the theoretical basis for much of the rapid progress we’re seeing now (e.g. machine learning) has actually existed for quite a long time. Training very large models wasn’t feasible at the time they were theorised, but the basis for them did exist.
When it comes to brains, we don’t even have a good understanding of how multisensory integration works yet, let alone how we could, even in theory, implant multisensory impressions like ads. It’s much easier with things like movement disorders or paralysis because our understanding of those phenomena is much more advanced. Plus - we’re only really dealing with one modality there - movement.
Deep brain stimulation for psychiatric conditions does exist, but it’s poorly understood, to the point where there isn’t even really a consensus on where you should place the stimulating electrodes for the best effects. At least that’s what a colleague who worked on DBS described a while ago, and I doubt it would’ve changed dramatically in a year.
Don’t take my predictions too seriously, but
10 years, it’ll be possible to have a multisensory chip, but it’ll be super expensive and niche 15 years, it’ll start getting pretty affordable and popular 20 years, you’ll be a social outcast for not having a chip. What are you, a weirdo?
As someone who suffers daily from a traumatic brain injury 5 years ago that’s caused me to become physically disabled and cognitively declined, I’m super excited about this.
I’m kinda excited about the technology, but very pessimistic when looking at the way our current technology is used.
Brain computer interfaces are an exciting field for helping people with health issues that we currently cannot help with. Nueralink aren’t the only business working on them though so if, as seems very likely, they are overhyped and ineffective as a way to chase a good market value for another of Elon Musk’s ventures, there will still be other organisations that do better work.
Here’s an example that popped up in a feed for me just now. An article from a reputable British newspaper about an American organisation (that isn’t mismanaged by a self-aggrandizing, lunatic, grifter) successfully implanting chips into a the brain of a man who was paralyzed from the chest down to restore movement and sensation to his limbs.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/ai-brain-chip-paralysed-trial-b2386217.html
But what about the invisible spyware/adware(/mind control???) they’ll be putting in without anyone knowing by using threads and components embedded inside the chip?
Hey, I just realised that the link I shared was a response to my comment not yours and so you may not have seen it.
This is a recent article about a successful brain implant that has been completed by a different organisation to help a paralysed man gain some amount of control of body parts he previously couldn’t control. https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/ai-brain-chip-paralysed-trial-b2386217.html
