I’m going insane. I cannot for the life of me find a suitable way to listen to music privately. I’m on iOS, and I don’t know whether to just stick to Apple Music or give up on music in general (I tried, TRIED to go local, but all the apps are shitty). Any way to listen to music and not have your data compromised? Should I just stick to Apple Music and hope that laws change (maybe something like EU’s DMA?)
Edit: Hey all! First of all, thank you so much for all the recommendations! I’ve discovered so many great apps and tools I didn’t even know existed (and it has also brought my hopes up for privacy in general). Even though it’s still not perfect, I’ve been using foobar2000 on iOS, downloading music I find (I’m still using Apple Music for discovery, but will probably stop when my subscription ends this month). For desktop I’m using HyperPipe, which although a little buggy at times is so awesome! One thing I do miss about this system is the lack of lyrics. Apple Music has such a beautiful UI when it comes with lyrics, but you can’t have it all when it comes to privacy it seems. Thanks for the amazing discussion! I’m so far loving Lemmy ;)
Xirup ( @Xirup@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 47•11 months agoI’ll be honest, the only way to listen to music privately is to download it. (And using an opensource music player)
There are Github repositories with CLI programs to download complete Spotify playlists with Youtube and also download their metadata.
Zetaphor ( @Zetaphor@zemmy.cc ) English6•11 months agoI wrote a few scripts to automate this entire process for me:
Any opensource music players for iOS you recommend? I found Flacbox which seems alright (a little buggy but you can’t win them all, can you?)
ForestOrca ( @ForestOrca@kbin.social ) 4•11 months ago Em Adespoton ( @adespoton@lemmy.ca ) English2•11 months agoI just use the Music app. With the privacy protections turned up and Apple Music disabled. All it does is ply my aac files without sending data back to Apple.
𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘 ( @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ) English2•11 months agoI’m not sure that’s totally true. The iOS ecosystem is very intertwined. It’s possible that the Music app isn’t sending data to Apple, but it is likely sharing it with whatever Apple calls the launcher, which likely shares it with Apple (or shares it with Siri or another app, which shares it with Apple).
aman25ta ( @aman25ta@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English1•11 months agoIts not opensource as far as i know, but i use documents5 (or 6 now?) by readdle and its been p good for music
Zorque ( @Zorque@kbin.social ) 19•11 months agoDo people not just download music anymore?
BraveSirZaphod ( @BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social ) 7•11 months agoI’m 26, and don’t know anyone, myself included, who purchases and downloads music to any significant degree. Essentially everyone I know just uses streaming platforms.
Zorque ( @Zorque@kbin.social ) 6•11 months agoSounds terrible for privacy.
BraveSirZaphod ( @BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social ) 14•11 months agoRespectfully, I think you may be drastically overestimating how much average people care about that.
Zorque ( @Zorque@kbin.social ) 1•11 months agoWell, considering the community this discussion is in…
And, respectfully, the average person doesn’t seem to give much of a fuck about anything other their own base desires most of the time.
BraveSirZaphod ( @BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social ) 3•11 months agoSure. But the question you asked was “Do people not just download music anymore?”, and the answer to that question, which you seemed unaware of, is “Not really, no”.
Do enjoy your highly refined and elevated desires, O noble one.
Blizzard ( @Blizzard@lemmy.zip ) English4•11 months agoHe didn’t say anything about purchasing…
mishimaenjoyer ( @mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social ) 2•11 months agoto be fair, to buy albums off sites like bandcamp, cutting out greedy multinational media conglomerates and give the money to the ppl actually working on it (yeah, i know, fees, welcome to distribution) and getting basically every (losslees/hr) codec in return for “name your price”-conditions makes it questionable to pirate some indie album to save like three bucks.
- Juno ( @Juno@beehaw.org ) 3•11 months ago
Wow, they got your generation good. I’m over here listening to flac files and mp3s I ripped in 2003.
InFerNo ( @InFerNo@lemmy.ml ) 1•11 months agoI have my music library that I listen to, to which I add songs by getting them from youtube (it’s good enough for my cheap on the go earphones). Sometimes I tune into radio stations that offer nonstop music (like stubru tijdloze).
guyrocket ( @guyrocket@kbin.social ) 18•11 months agoI still buy CDs. And back then up to play in my truck. And rip them.
I still think OWNING media is a good idea. No privacy issues at all.
m-p{3} ( @mp3@lemmy.ca ) English12•11 months agoMost of the stuff I listen to isn’t mainstream and the band are on Bandcamp. It’s great being able to buy the FLAC version right away.
kick_out_the_jams ( @kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social ) 7•11 months agohttps://daily.bandcamp.com/features/bandcamp-fridays-update
it’s worth noting that the first friday of each month they usually forgo their cut so more money goes to the artists.
RVMWSN ( @RVMWSN@lemmy.ml ) 16•11 months agoI don’t think you should expect any privacy on an Apple device
Jvrava9 ( @jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 7•11 months agoIm on a Jailbroken iPhone with all Apple network requests blocked with AdGuard and no Appleid.
𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘 ( @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ) English4•11 months agoAny way you could share the guide you used?
Jvrava9 ( @jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 4•11 months agoHow to Sideload apps, How to Jailbreak, Jailbreak Megathread. AdGuard Pro .ipa. My Blocklst Lists. The lists are Very aggressive, I suggest you to maintain a Whitelist. For getting apps without an Apple ID, check out some sources, repo’s and telegram channels Here.
𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘 ( @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ) English2•11 months agoAwesome! Thank you!
+1 would really like to know more
blitzen ( @blitzen@lemmy.ml ) English3•11 months agoHonestly, I’d trust a vanilla iPhone over that hacked together mess you’ve got going there.
Jvrava9 ( @jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•11 months agoYou may be right if you are not as concerned about privacy and being able to not rely on the App Store for everything. I can install any app that is not in the App Store. Ex: new encryption laws come out like in the UK and all Matrix clients are removed from the App Store. I can still download them because I don’t rely on the App Store.
Mcballs1234 ( @Mcballs1234@lemmy.ml ) 15•11 months agoYarrr harrr didgeridoo
sabreW4K3 ( @sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ) English12•11 months agoHave you considered Funk Whale, the Spotify of the Fediverse?
Poof Birb ( @poofbirb@lemmy.ml ) English9•11 months agoan MP3 player like foobar2000 …?
Cowremix ( @Cowremix@artemis.camp ) 7•11 months agoClassic iPod or mp3 player? Also, the “Music” app on iOS still works like iTunes. You can load albums directly from your computer, even without an Apple Music subscription. Or you could get a Walkman.
airikr ( @airikr@lemmy.ml ) 7•11 months agoI download the music from YouTube (through front-end services like Piped) and play it locally through a music player.
I don’t know how it works on iPhone (I have an Android phone), but I can use NewPipe and LibreTube and Seal to download the music. If I’m on the go that is. Otherwise I download the music through ytdlp and transfer the files to my smartphone.
Apple really restrict their users to their own ecosystem.
uberrice ( @uberrice@feddit.de ) 1•11 months agoYt-dlp is great for getting music from YouTube music.
You even get fairly good quality if you have premium (I do through Argentina, so it costs me cents per month)
airikr ( @airikr@lemmy.ml ) English2•11 months agoWoot? yt-dlp premium? Never heard of it. yt-dlp have always been and will always be free (donations aside) since it’s open sourced. Sounds like you pay to a scammer. Or do you mean YouTube Premium? :)
uberrice ( @uberrice@feddit.de ) 1•11 months agoYouTube premium to access the higher bitrates through Yt-dlp ;)
quantenzitrone ( @quantenzitrone@feddit.de ) 7•11 months agoIf anyone is interested, i recently developed my own system of defining my music library declaratively in the Nix programming language and started switching to it. It creates folders as playlists and can automatically download the music from YouTube or SoundCloud. I plan to expand and improve this further.
I doubt this will work on IOS tho, sorry OP.
🧟♂️ Cadaver ( @Ashiette@lemmy.one ) 7•11 months agoIf you don’t want to go local or want a streaming service : qobuz is the less shitty of all options regarding privacy.
shortwavesurfer ( @shortwavesurfer@monero.town ) English6•11 months agoHave a copy of all your music and use syncthing if apple allows it that is. Otherwise get a deegoogled android running grapheneOS
Getting/syncing music isn’t really a major problem for me, a decent audio player (with minimal features such as a queue and a decent UI) is what I’m trying to find.
ForestOrca ( @ForestOrca@kbin.social ) 2•11 months agoVLC?
I feel like all the answers are so far beyond what I do. Basically VPN to Invidio.us, record with Audio Hijack, put on my phone, and play on VLC. Curious what all the elite privateers think?
ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 1•11 months agoWhy record with an app? Some invidious insurances allow downloading. There’s a drop-down menu on the video page.
ForestOrca ( @ForestOrca@kbin.social ) 1•11 months agoRight, if dl’able then no need to record. I was trying to list my method in the most general sense.
𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘 ( @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ) English1•11 months agoWhy vpn you invidio.us? Why not directly? Invidio.us acts as the middleman to yt anyway, right?
E: autocorrect correction.
A goat :verified: ( @nus@mstdn.social ) 1•11 months ago@01189998819991197253 @ForestOrca the gateway to the middleman to yt
but if you don’t trust the instance, then you vpn to it :undefined: 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘 ( @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ) English1•11 months agoYou’re right. I assumed trust in the instance, but should never assume that. Of course, by using a vpn, you’re assuming it is trustworthy. I guess you gotta trust someone somewhere, at least enough to hop to the next stone.
A goat :verified: ( @nus@mstdn.social ) 1•11 months ago@01189998819991197253 To be online, you totally do. :undefined: Adding extra layers helps a little bit I think… after all, the VPN can’t see exactly what video you’re looking at, and then the Invidious instance can’t see where you’re really located…
𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘 ( @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ) English1•11 months agoI agree 100%. The VPN, though, can see what address you’re visiting, and the address is unique to the video. That’s where the trust in the VPN comes into play. With the VPN, invidio.us can’t see your location, and with invidio.us, YouTube doesn’t know who you are. So many layers! I love it!
utopia_dig ( @utopia_dig@lemmy.ml ) 5•11 months agoI’m using Qobuz. Since it is a rather small service, I just hope it is more private than the “big players” like Spotify/Apple Music. But the main benefits of Qobuz are the audio quality and the (afaik) highest payment per streamed song for artists.
IGuessICan ( @IGuessICan@lemmy.sdf.org ) 1•11 months agoBeware, though… I found that the Qobuz app sends data to google-analytics.com, app-measurement.com, mixpanel.com, crashlytics.com, and graph.facebook.com, possibly others. This is all BEFORE EVEN LAUNCHING the app. I don’t consider Qobuz to be good for privacy…
utopia_dig ( @utopia_dig@lemmy.ml ) 1•11 months agoWhich lossless streaming service do you consider to be better for privacy? Deezer, Tidal, …?
slacktoid ( @slacktoid@lemmy.ml ) English5•11 months agoSetup your own subsonic or ampache server. nextcloud has an app for that.
Grouchy ( @Grouchy@lemmy.grouchysysadmin.com ) English5•11 months agoSetup a Koel instance at a host of your choice. Upload your music to it and stream from that. See https://koel.dev/
This looks really promising, thanks!