• agent_flounder ( agent_flounder@lemmy.one ) English
      12·
      3 years ago

      More than just research is needed and that’s what many miss. One must be able to reliably evaluate the quality of evidence to sort fact from baloney. Doing so requires critical thinking, the ability to be able to poke holes in theories regardless of whether you like them or not, and the willingness to be wrong and, above all else, the mental flexibility to update your knowledge when proven so. Not everyone is able to do that.

      I am used to being wrong a lot so it comes naturally lol.

      • Kelsenellenelvial ( Kelsenellenelvial@lemmy.ca ) English
        2·
        3 years ago

        Plus the methodology. There’s an idea of actively seeking out research contrary to one’s hypothesis, this helps circumvent the confirmation bias of only looking for things that support a hypothesis and ignoring anything contradictory. It can be healthy to find and consider dissenting opinions.

        Another fundamental issue is people using different meanings for similar words. Someone with a strong understanding of scientific method will say things like “I believe” or “studies show”, while someone else will say things like “This is” or “we know”. Colloquially the latter is stronger language conveying more confidence, but the former is more likely to be evidence based. “Theory” is used colloquially the way a scientist would use “hypothesis”. People will say “I have a theory”, that’s only a few sentences and doesn’t make any reliable predictions, the put down an actual theory backed by years of supporting evidence and peer review as “just a theory”.

    • reverendsteveii ( reverendsteveii@beehaw.org ) English
      2·
      3 years ago

      The problem arises from the fact that the internet in particular incentivizes attracting attention above all other things and there’s no incentive for being correct, nuanced or well-researched. Combine that with the fact that people like to be right about things and doubly so when everyone else is wrong about it and you create a world where conspiracy, woo and other bullshit is actually an industry. I feel like that’s part that always gets lost in these discussions: people are making money from this.

  • some_guy ( some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ) English
    27·
    3 years ago

    Someone, somewhere, will misrepresent this to give credence to the “do your own research” crowd.

    Which is not to discredit the message. They misrepresent everything.

      • MudMan ( MudMan@kbin.social ) 
        17·
        3 years ago

        Unless the authorial intent is to read it in your head as performed by a William Shatner impersonator they are outright wrong. That predicate has been split so finely it’s outright minced.

        Here’s a fun trick for sentence structure that helps with punctuation: replace clauses with single words and see if the sentence still looks good:

        “Just because you are right, does not mean, I am wrong.”
        “This, means, that. Mr. Spock.”

        Mmmminced.

          • MudMan ( MudMan@kbin.social ) 
            6·
            3 years ago

            No, I didn’t. I don’t know who teaches people that commas represent small pauses in speech, but they’re not helping.

            That’s what the ellipsis is for. If you want to correctly do fake Shatner you do

            “This… means… that, Mr. Spock”.

            That’s where the comma should go, by the way. You use it to separate the vocative. I had to use a period in the incorrect sentence above just to avoid the redundancy with the incorrect ones splitting the verb from the subject and the object.

            • queermunist she/her ( queermunist@lemmy.ml ) English
              4·
              3 years ago

              As long as the intended reading was conveyed, what’s the problem?

              Using commas as pauses in speech gets the intent across, even if it isn’t the “correct” punctuation. That’s why people keep doing it. People read your examples of Shatnerisms with commas and think its fine, and if enough people think it’s fine then it actually is. Rules aren’t real.

              The OP is garbage, though. It comes across as stuttery and, like you said, minced.

              • MudMan ( MudMan@kbin.social ) 
                5·
                3 years ago

                I mean, yeah…

                …that’s why when you see it done wrong you call it out. So the wrong way to do it doesn’t become the new normal and you have to spend the rest of your life seeing people write “your an idiot”.

              • MudMan ( MudMan@kbin.social ) 
                4·
                3 years ago

                No, they don’t. The difference between commas and ellipses is not at the length of the pause. Commas don’t necessarily correlate to a pause at all in many cases, and separating the verb from the subject with a comma is straight-up wrong. I hate to link to sources of authority in stuff like this because it’s patronizing as hell, but I promise you can look this up.

                I know somebody told you that’s it’s about conveying speech pauses, and I’m sorry you had to find out in the middle of an Internet argument where you tried to show up a pedant, so now you’re entrenched and will refuse to back down for all eternity, but… yeah, no, that sentence is wrong.

      • blackbrook ( blackbrook@mander.xyz ) English
        4·
        3 years ago

        No it’s actually worse than superfluous commas, and the author is using them where things like periods ought to be. The author does not actually understand how use sentences properly.

  • Ilflish ( Ilflish@lemm.ee ) English
    8·
    3 years ago

    “The building is behind me therefore it’s a six”

    “But the number should be facing away from the building therefore it’s a nine”

    Me, an intellectual: “I want egg”

        • Nowyn ( Nowyn@sopuli.xyz ) English
          3·
          3 years ago

          What the everloving fuck did I read?

          First of all, I don’t know who you think you are talking to but I am not lying. I 100% know how abuse affects you as I was abused most of my childhood and teenage years. I am not playing any cards, I am reminding you that calling people selfish and lazy when you do not know them based on something like grammar is ignoring multitudes of factors you have no idea of using myself as an example. And this is not a work email. It is informal language used in meme. And by the way, even though I am using a grammar checker on all that I write, it is not perfect. Of course, people also check the language when it is more relevant but the majority of people are not using it for all texts.

          My point is less about bad grammar and correcting it and more about how you are going around correcting it. You also have no business defining what I should and shouldn’t take from your writings when you didn’t spell it out. My point is that requiring perfect grammar when you do not know the person writing from Eve is problematic especially when you call everyone with bad grammar selfish and lazy. Taking the multitudes of factors that can cause people to have bad grammar into account is not a problem. Painting everyone with the same negative brush is.

  • Pendulla ( Pendulla@lemdro.id ) English
    4·
    3 years ago

    What is ruining this world is that people are too lazy to crop their screenshots and make better looking posts with no wasted space. 😊 Just an opinion.