Somehow paying for Netflix is fine but god forbid I want to watch a 10 hour loop of the DS9 intro without ads.
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The fact that they made it worse so they could lock what we had behind a paywall is what permanently killed YouTube for me. I will bend over backwards to make sure they never receive a penny at this point. They could have added or improved features but they just made everything shitty instead lol screw them.
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Yeah I need youtube premium in order to enable background play on the official app. This is ridiculous, especially on a mobile operating system that made fun of the competition because it didnt have true multitasking. Ever since then it’s kinda been it for me. Like I cant multitask on my computer device because you want me to pay a subscription? No thanks.
It’s a protection racket, for your attention and time.
It is, but it is only between the free and paid versions. I can’t expect a service to exist for my use without some form of compensation. I’d rather pay with money than time.
it doesn’t improve the service.
Doesn’t it do exactly that? It removes the ads whoch makes it way better.
But it doesn’t unlock anything new that you didn’t have before
It does give you access to higher quality streaming though, offline play, background play, video queue, picture in picture and youtube music premium. Do you even know what you are talking about?
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You’d have a much stronger point if all the following were free: bandwidth, server farms, developers, support staff.
Since they aren’t, something needs to pay for those. I’m paying to not see that something.
There was some original content, there is offline play, ad removal, however they should allow premium to skip sponsor ads too if you ask me.
I thought it was a decent deal for $15/mo for family of 3 using it for music and yt. $23 is pushing it.
And here I am, getting the same thing and paying nothing because I’ve got uBlock Origin.
There’s always one.
Since youtube has been starting to wage war against adblock I decided to try out using freetube and have been enjoying it. It does have some limitations but since its not tied to the algorithm it reminds me of how I used to have to browse youtube in the older days. Also I feel like the up-next option is way more valuable than it is with the algorithm. Instead of being based off of what I watch its like the old method so it might recommend more vids from the creator or channels like the creator.
Instead of stuff that Ive already watched or am already subscribed to, or that one weird thing the algorithm is pushing for no reason that I keep ignoring but it keeps shoving at me.
Discovery requires a little more creativity with searching and for some categories this can get broad, but the result is finding more teeny tiny creators as well which is neat.
I was getting blocked for having uBlock Origin, but how I solved that was to purge the filter lists in the settings and re-download them. Now I can watch again.
Oh yeah that does work as well, but I decided to give the open source front end a try as well and enjoyed the experience enough to keep at it.
Honestly not worth the trouble on mobile
Unless you’re on an iPhone, setting up Revanced takes less than 10 minutes and very rarely breaks anything. If you want to support your YouTube creators, then sure pay for premium, but it baffles me how someone could have the technical prowess to set up a Lemmy account, but then balk at something like this. If anything, mobile might be one of the last frontiers now that they’re starting a war against adblock.
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I use adblock on Firefox on my phone. Used to be fun to jailbreak and install my own apps and stuff, just getting lazier as I age I think
I also have No ads, because I use NewPipe. There I can watch all Videos from YouTube, cccBerlin, pearTube and it is also possible to Listen to Music from Bandcamp and Soundcloud.
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Meanwhile I’m over here like:
That scene when he struts up to the guys naked and full of attitude in Chernobyl should have won him an emmy. Love this actor!
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Not the same guy. That was Alex Ferns. This is Michael Hough.
I know this is a silly meme but my issue with not wanting to pay for youtube is 3 fold.
1.Theyre a monopoly. Google bought out the plucky streaming service on the rise(and honestly if it wasnt google it would have been someone else) and then continued to build up momentum and squash the competition. There is no competition. Daily motion and vimeo and peertube exist, but they dont really compete with youtube anymore.
Google can complain all they want about how it’s expensive to host 4k videos from anyone who wants to upload and how all the global traffic makes their service unprofitable but given theyre a giant corporation, if it didnt bring them value they wouldnt be doing it and if it is a hole theyre putting money into then it’s an hole they dug for themselves.
2.Google sucks at dealing with their creators. The lifeblood of the site is that it is the default platform for video content creators because its so big. Unjustified DCMA takedowns which ruin a persons livelihood and are difficult to appeal, their demonetization and essentially delisting from the algorithm of nsfw videos(which can happen if a key word is detected or a specific type of image, that recent issue with the big youtuber doxing another and getting a slap on the wrist, and the changes made to algorithms that hurt creators and shape content.
Like how the comedy sketches and animators that were prevalent in the early days got squeezed out because the algorithm favored longer videos and a steadier stream of content. Or a case where a youtuber got his own song DCMA’d because another artist remixed his music. And thats not even getting into the poor compensation from ads that means creators need to use sites like patreon to get by. “Oh but if you pay premium your views count more” wow how nice of one of the biggest most valuable companies on earth.
They also have no easy way for even decent sized creators with millions of subs to appeal or get a hold of them, let alone one in the 100s of thousdands or tens of thousands mark. All ai reviewed and ai resolved.
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The algorithm debacle. Its fickle tweaks have indirect impacts on creators and at worst it has been known to feed into conspiracy theories and red pill people into extremist pipelines and it took google way too long to address it. Even when it works well it can still push a lot of the same content. But its arbitrary nature an be a windfall on some seasons for one type of creator and tank another.
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Honestly even if all else failed and adblock stopped working I would probably just watch the ads. It’s like a 15 second clip in the beginning if you skip and a minute worth of ad 10 or 15 minutes later. Im not gunna say I love it but do you people not remember what watching tv was like or reading magazines, or have you ever had a bus drive by you? I can live with the minor amount of mostly skipable ads I’d get an hour especially if it means Im not paying.
2.Google sucks at dealing with their creators. The lifeblood of the site is that it is the default platform for video content creators because its so big. Unjustified DCMA takedowns which ruin a persons livelihood and are difficult to appeal, their demonetization and essentially delisting from the algorithm of nsfw videos(which can happen if a key word is detected or a specific type of image, that recent issue with the big youtuber doxing another and getting a slap on the wrist, and the changes made to algorithms that hurt creators and shape content.
Well said. It’s so hypocritical of Google to say “support our creators” when they do such a trash job of it already. Google makes hundreds of billions of dollars per year! If they cared so much about the creators, they could share more of their obscene earnings with them. Why should it be people’s responsibility?!? And of course, all the things that you mentioned as well that constantly screw them over too.
It’s just shameless hypocrisy. They have no moral high ground here whatsoever.
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You think that’s bad? Mention you use a HP printer sometime. I dare you to try it.
Well owning a HP inkjet is an objectively stupid thing to do.
Thanks for proving my point!
This just makes me sad for you.
Eh, HP has always worked fine for us. I have two sitting here, actually - one is an all-in-one from ~2009 that we printed our wedding programs on when it was new, and it still works fine, but ink is getting harder to find for it, and we had a scare with the irreplaceable print head a few years ago (I got it working, using HP’s “try this if you’re out of options, but it’s unlikely to work” directions, but we realized it was probably time to consider replacing it).
The other is a few years old and is one of the ones with the subscription service. We’ve had a good experience with it, and I spend less on ink than I did with the old one, but that upsets a LOT of people.
I may have exaggerated a bit. We use both HP and Konica Minolta printers at work. Our HP printers are excellent compared to KM.
I haven’t used a printer at home since I was a kid. I bet the situation is different for printers that aren’t going 365 days a year.
I will say that I do not like HP’s ink “DRM” shenanigans.
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First, it’s nice to get a reasonable response to my comment. Most of the responses about HP printers are people foaming at the mouth. Even a few here, in a thread meant to be funny, generated some of that.
Yeah, I might go with a laser next time. I’ve read that Brother makes a pretty good laser printer, and I see color models are like $250, which isn’t bad. We’ll see. No major rush right now. I would miss the flatbed scanner; I do use that (maybe as much as the printer) for random things.
Oh…haha…I just went to Brother’s site to look at one, and oh look, there’s a toner subscription service!
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No way, Only Brushes and paint for me. Of course I steal it cause why should I pay for it?
Using an HP printer is like playing Russian Roulette with a ton of loaded bullets. I say this as someone with multiple HP printers.
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I subscribe to YouTube Music and have since the Play days (R.I.P.). Watching videos without ads is just a perk.
This is basically my stance. Its also one of a very few subs I use, I don’t really care to watch streaming services or to pay for the slightly (maybe?) better other music streaming services.
I still have Premium but could never accept YT music as a former Play user. Why did they end the best music streaming service for this unusable trash?
Spotify is still worse than Play was, but at least it’s good at recommending music. YT music is worse in every regard. Except for smart watch integration maybe.
Play was the best, especially in the early days with the professionally curated (by humans) play lists. I discovered so much new music. AI generated playlists are terrible.
I pay for it so my kids’ accounts don’t have ads. They’re too young to sort out all the edge cases that aggressive ad blocking generates and for a bonus we get youtube music.
I just find the cost of Premium to be too high.
Here in Sweden it costs about 120SEK/month, that is far too much, I’d happily pay 60-70SEK/month, that would be worth it to me.
And would still give rhem more money than me not watching ads
Only service where I’ve done the region thing. Paying 15 kr a month because I signed up through Argentina.
Is that much more than Spotify in Sweden?
No idea, I have never used Spotify
Here’s the thing: how much YouTube content creators are really affected by ad blockers varies widely, and that’s due to several factors such as what region their main viewership is in, their subject matter, and how many viewers of each creator fit the demographic that might use ad blockers. YouTube is the only entity that would have the real data on the real impact to content creators due to ad blockers, and it’s believed that the reason they don’t share that data is so that they can inflate the numbers in order to claim greater losses than they actually suffer— and while that may very well be a strong motivation, I believe the primary motivation to be to hide the wide variation in levels of compensation between their top content creators. If the ad-blocking impact data became public, it would also reveal the wide disparities in how much YouTube compensates different tiers of content creators and would make public deals with top creators that have, until now, remained private.
This so why it’s always discussed in vague terms and as some existential threat— which is is, for them.
Youtube does not offer Content instead they offer space to publish Videos and have Youtube Music.
The Price they are deamding is too high as if they Produce own Content and Music.
Youtube Premium would only be viable for me if i can be anonymous to buy it and removes age restriction,perma bann for YT Shorts the worst they done.
I cannot give a Company money that it this rotten.
Monopoly of YT is just sad.
Back when it was still called YouTube Red, they actually used to create exclusive content (or at least fund the creator). It was a selling point at the time. Now they just increase the number of ads to make not paying for it hurt more…
Oh yeah didn’t they have a conclusion movie for Smosh about Anthony dying and becoming Ian’s ghost roommate?
Someone needs to find a way to make it cheaper to host videos on a server, because the second you do that second a viable YouTube alternative can show up
It’s very ferengi to pay for goods and services.
But it is also very ferengi to steal goods and services.
Be a ferengi 😎
I’m constantly in bob eisner’s trash, he throws away a lot of profitable things. Got a crate of self-sealing stem bolts the other day. Just need to find a buyer.
my view is worth 1000x the value of an ad viewer.
that like makes me better than them.
Nah, just making a joke cause I get attacked every time I say it’s my favorite subscription service. I don’t even use Netflox, Doisney or HOBO anymore. Just vids on woodworking and bread making.
Ya know, if someone wants to spend their money on it, I really don’t care because that’s their money and not mine. It’s not something I would personally buy into, but to each their own.
It’s called uBlock Origin
Doesn’t work on iPad. Kindly share workarounds anyone.
DNS? sideload? Barter for a better tablet? /j
I watch it mostly an AppleTV so there is no practical way to ad block it anyway.
I airplay from my phone and that allows adblocking still
