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QuentinCallaghan ( QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz )  to GamingEnglish · 3 years ago

Gabe Newell ordered to make in-person deposition for Valve v. Wolfire Games lawsuit

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Gabe Newell ordered to make in-person deposition for Valve v. Wolfire Games lawsuit

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QuentinCallaghan ( QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz )  to GamingEnglish · 3 years ago
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Valve CEO Gabe Newell has been ordered to attend an in-person deposition regarding an antitrust lawsuit filed by Wolfir…
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        On the other hand I don’t see why being there in person has to be required for anyone. He can say exactly the same things remotely.

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        A court room with stale air and only him with his mask on. Surely, what could go wrong? I see no risks at all.

        Just let him join remotely. What is the big deal here?

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          It states everyone else will wear a mask too and he will remove his during his deposition. Like it or not, the courts require in-person attendance.

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              cause you would then have to dispatch a 3rd party audit to make sure Gabe isn’t reading from a teleprompter that his lawyers prep to answer any questions on the fly. You can prep your script “before” but not during, once you are on the stand you are on your own, subject to the court rules, etc.

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                • PenguinTD ( PenguinTD@lemmy.ca ) 
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                  They will have to face the consequence because then the lawyer will bring up stuff that shows:

                  • you know and you are lying
                  • you said/did/wrote something and you forget but here is the internal email etc.
                  • use that to their advantage when possible.

                  Target is to make the case, through Gabe is just a attacking vector.

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            It’s not even a valid excuse any more at this point. People can get vaccinated at their leisure against the current variants no problem, and other fat old dudes don’t get to bail on an uncomfortable situation either, this is just special treatment for the rich. Also all the accommodations that are already being made with everyone wearing masks. Also I’m sure they can open a fucking window or so for some fresh air

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              I might be more inclined to agree if there was some benefit to having him show up in person, but I don’t see why he can’t just attend this remotely. People get sick after being vaccinated too. Maybe is a minimal risk, but it seems like a pointless risk nonetheless.

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                It’s a court of law. People appear in person to ensure they are who they are, their answers are theirs and they fully own them, they aren’t being coerced or manipulated, and so on. FaceTimeing in from the bathroom at his home isn’t cutting it.

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      Counterpoint: Cardinal George Pell tried to pull the same move in a child sex abuse case. Here’s Tim Minchin’s Come Home (Cardinal Pell) for your viewing pleasure.

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        Minchin is a goddamn treasure, and I will never not upvote posts highlighting him.

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    I don’t really understand the antitrust argument here. There are a literal ton of other market places to sell PC games on, such as Humble Bundle which apparently Wolfire started. You could also sell directly to consumers if you wanted without going through a marketplace at all.

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      Also the main point is valve does not do anything to prevent you from selling the game directly or through other stores.

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    Just move to a shitty store like EGS.

    Their store is to shitty? Pay the 30%.

    Either way, never heard of this publisher. I’ll just know not to buy their games anymore.

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      They kind of had their store. Wolfire games created Humble Bundle, then it became its own company and now belongs to IGN.

      If they kept going for the initial spirit of HB instead of letting it become just another way to buy on Steam, maybe they’d be that competition.

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      If I remember correctly, at the time Valve justified the 30% by pointing out that Apple was charging the same for music and video content. And Valve immediately started building value-added services like forums, updaters, multiplayer support, achievements, etc. to justify the price.

      If you compare what Valve was doing to the physical media distribution methods of the period, it was a MASSIVE improvement. Back then, you could sell 10000 units to Ingram Micro or PC Mall, or whatever, and you only got paid if they sold. And any unsold inventory would be destroyed and the reseller would never pay for it. And if you actually wanted anything other than a single-line entry in their catalogs, you paid a promotional fee. Those video games featured with a standup display or a poster in the window at the computer store? None of that was free; the developer was nickeled and dimed for every moment their game was featured in any premium store space.

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      They are very indie. I had only heard of one of their games, Lugaru, before today.

      They seem to be getting better at making games, but they still look to be visually lacking.

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        Huh. So, I actually own Lugaru, which I purchased through Humble Bundle in May 2010.

        It… was not a good game. Basically anthropomorphic rabbits beating the crap out of each other, which SOUNDS good, but was not executed well.

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    Is there a way to read without the invasive trackers? I’m fine with ads, just not the cookies.

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      There you go, here is an archived version https://archive.is/cyApm

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        FYI, you’re on a Beehaw community right now. This type of needless aggression may be acceptable elsewhere, but not on Beehaw.

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    Fuck this company, I’m glad they’ve made their name known so I won’t buy any games they have anything to do with.

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    steam is one of the good guys. maybe instead of suing they should just make better games

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            It’s a private company. They don’t have shareholders to report to, so they’re not remotely as scummy. Fuck the rich, but choose your battles and go after the ones who are really the problem.

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                Don’t play games then, they are only being made to get your money. Screw those!

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        Uhm, I’m Not against your argument, but have you informed yourself in any manner before making this Statement.

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    Why does the title say Valve v. Wolfire when it’s Wolfire that sued Valve? Or does the order of versus not actually matter for titles?

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      Is it an appeal? That would explain it

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    I don’t get wolfire’s point here. Yes steam takes a hefty 30% cut but game developers are free to sell directly if they want to. Unlike apple who have completely locked down the iOS app ecosystem or Google who allow sideloading but scares and warns people against downloading apps from non Play Store sources, steam does nothing to hinder games not sold through it. If there was a competitor who was as good as steam but took a smaller cut, then that competitor would have been the market leader in place of steam.

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      Exactly, I mean you can even add Non-Steam games to Steam. Yes, you don’t get achievements that way and there’s no support for workshop or big picture or the community plug-in, but you can launch the game from the steam library.

      On another note, can Steam, even for a small payment of 2 dollars, add those functions for games not bought in the Steam store, but that could have been bought through Steam? I really want to have TW3 with achievements, but don’t want to buy it again.

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    Remember, if Valve actually lost this suit, which they almost certainly won’t, it won’t improve the videogame ecosystem. It will possibly make it worse.

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            What role do you think the Steam workshop plays in this?

            Obviously the people playing the AAA franchises don’t care, but when you see the sheer quantity of workshop content for some games (Cities:Skylines and Space Engineers come to mind for me, no doubt there’s other examples in genres I’m less familiar with), you see how much the modding community has contributed to the commercial success of these games. I’m wondering how this factors in to steam as a whole.

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              If that is the biggest problem, I wouldn’t keep myself from buying from them. I think Valve is generally a “good behaving” company, probably mostly because they are not on the stock market, and I would expect mostly any other company to do much more shitty and monopolistic things when (or before) it has grown to the size of Valve.

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              Denying references to other places that directly compete with you seems pretty reasonable to me. You don’t see toaster boxes at Walmart saying it’s also available at Target or whatever

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    I see a lot of covid misinformation going on around this story which is extremely worrying. Just because the human race not currently at risk of imminent extinction from it doesn’t mean it’s not still a serious illness. Some people get long term complications from it. Some people are extra vulnerable to it. Some people are still dying from it.

    “Just get the vaccine” is the worst kind of uninformed handwaving response to the concerns and worries of other humans, it’s upsetting it is becoming the norm.

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    These are some heavy accusations for Gabe

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    Wait that lawsuit is still going on???

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