The people who run lemmy.ml also run lemmygrad.ml and that second one has a fair amount of communist propaganda. I’m not talking about stuff like “workers unite!” I’m taking about stuff like “actually no one was killed at tiananmen square and if anyone was it was soldiers who were killed by those unruly students and not the other way around.”
This wouldn’t be so bad, except that they federate Lemmygrad so the main instance will occasionally get to see literal propaganda that the admins won’t take down.
Edit: So as not to get into a dumb argument, I’ll spell it out here in the edit for anyone who missed the point. The problem is not viewing the world through a different lense, the problem is an outright denial of reality. Denial of basic facts. You’re free to interpret facts however you want. You’re not allowed to just deny reality. This is a problem all over the world, and it’s bad no matter who is doing it.
I dont understand why it bothers you so much. Why do you need to have the same political views as people who run an instance?
It doesnt even bother me that people have those opinions. You know how much stuff from the US that is complete lies and propaganda? You probably dont even notice if you are used to it. :)
Its just the world we live in. There are no good countries. The US shot down hundreds or thousands of middle east civilians using drones from kilometers away, just routinely, like its nothing. Not seeing them as humans. Its like a computer game.
I think its best to just focus on our lives and not try to act as forum soldiers for the countries we happen to live in. They are all bad.
We already divided the earth into countries, and now we are supposed to divide ourselves in the fediverse also because we cant stand eachothers opinins?
“actually no one was killed at tiananmen square and if anyone was it was soldiers who were killed by those unruly students and not the other way around.”
I see this often in debate topics. Some people seem to think that every opinion is valid and worth listening to when no, I’m sorry, that really isn’t the case. There is no need to casually try to debate people who don’t believe the existence of the literal sun, or holocaust deniers, or those who think all gay people should be euthanized.
It’s a bit of a pet peeve of mine tbh, and I’ve always run into issues like this on discussion boards, especially of the past. Those with blatantly offensive and wrong viewpoints get bitchy when others don’t want their debate topics present because every opinion can be respectfully debated. No. Yes…often two opposing viewpoints can be valid. But other times, they most certainly are not. If you’re of the opinion that child porn should be accepted for example, it doesn’t matter how “respectfully” you try to present it and yourself. Your view is wrong and you do NOT deserve a platform to speak about it.
Personally I don’t think tolerating intolerance is just a differing opinion. I feel like excusing genocide puts them in a group of people i don’t want to associate and I don’t think an “opinion” like denying genocide should be sat at the same table as reality.
Don’t mince my words, I hate all imperialistic governments who commit genocide and if there were posts about the US never having intentionally killed all the buffalo, trail of tears, those culture stripping schools etc or our own version of those schools here in Aotearoa I would be just as disgusted.
Everyone is free to join any instance they think it’s good. We can communicate freely (bar a few exceptions) throughout the fediverse, so it’s not dividing users. Furthermore, lemmy.ml is overloaded, so that’s a good reason to choose another instance. The admins themselves don’t expect the majority to join that server as the primary one (they run it as the ‘flagship instance’).
The people who run lemmy.ml also run lemmygrad.ml and that second one has a fair amount of communist propaganda. I’m not talking about stuff like “workers unite!” I’m taking about stuff like “actually no one was killed at tiananmen square and if anyone was it was soldiers who were killed by those unruly students and not the other way around.”
This wouldn’t be so bad, except that they federate Lemmygrad so the main instance will occasionally get to see literal propaganda that the admins won’t take down.
Edit: So as not to get into a dumb argument, I’ll spell it out here in the edit for anyone who missed the point. The problem is not viewing the world through a different lense, the problem is an outright denial of reality. Denial of basic facts. You’re free to interpret facts however you want. You’re not allowed to just deny reality. This is a problem all over the world, and it’s bad no matter who is doing it.
I dont understand why it bothers you so much. Why do you need to have the same political views as people who run an instance?
It doesnt even bother me that people have those opinions. You know how much stuff from the US that is complete lies and propaganda? You probably dont even notice if you are used to it. :)
Its just the world we live in. There are no good countries. The US shot down hundreds or thousands of middle east civilians using drones from kilometers away, just routinely, like its nothing. Not seeing them as humans. Its like a computer game.
I think its best to just focus on our lives and not try to act as forum soldiers for the countries we happen to live in. They are all bad.
No one is saying that the US is good though.
Exactly because of what you said in your last paragraph, some don’t want to use an instance run by people with a certain political agenda.
I think its a mistake.
We already divided the earth into countries, and now we are supposed to divide ourselves in the fediverse also because we cant stand eachothers opinins?
Are you seriously pretending things such as
are mere opinion?
I see this often in debate topics. Some people seem to think that every opinion is valid and worth listening to when no, I’m sorry, that really isn’t the case. There is no need to casually try to debate people who don’t believe the existence of the literal sun, or holocaust deniers, or those who think all gay people should be euthanized.
It’s a bit of a pet peeve of mine tbh, and I’ve always run into issues like this on discussion boards, especially of the past. Those with blatantly offensive and wrong viewpoints get bitchy when others don’t want their debate topics present because every opinion can be respectfully debated. No. Yes…often two opposing viewpoints can be valid. But other times, they most certainly are not. If you’re of the opinion that child porn should be accepted for example, it doesn’t matter how “respectfully” you try to present it and yourself. Your view is wrong and you do NOT deserve a platform to speak about it.
My point is, we shouldnt act like little fighters here on the fediverse, not when there are so much positive things to focus on.
Personally I don’t think tolerating intolerance is just a differing opinion. I feel like excusing genocide puts them in a group of people i don’t want to associate and I don’t think an “opinion” like denying genocide should be sat at the same table as reality.
Don’t mince my words, I hate all imperialistic governments who commit genocide and if there were posts about the US never having intentionally killed all the buffalo, trail of tears, those culture stripping schools etc or our own version of those schools here in Aotearoa I would be just as disgusted.
We are not supposed to do anything.
Everyone is free to join any instance they think it’s good. We can communicate freely (bar a few exceptions) throughout the fediverse, so it’s not dividing users. Furthermore, lemmy.ml is overloaded, so that’s a good reason to choose another instance. The admins themselves don’t expect the majority to join that server as the primary one (they run it as the ‘flagship instance’).
You have to draw the line somewhwre. And wherever you choose to draw your line, I’d recommend putting “supporting genocide” on the other side of it
Blocked lemmygrad the main reason why I picked Sopuli instead of the “main” instance