Why b-1 instead of just b votes? “because the vote could’ve otherwise went to B” well it could’ve also went to T, but I don’t see you accounting for it as t-1.
This is that “enlightened centrism” false equivalence.
I honestly can’t believe that in good faith you can compare Biden and Trump as equals.
One is a president whos platform is making minimal change.
The other is a president whos platform is to tear down democracy and human rights.
If you honestly can look at these two and say they are equal than I have to conclude you are at least indifferent to maintaining democracy and human rights.
I know the “counter argument” is about Biden and Israel/Gaza, but the thing is, that’s not really up for debate because I don’t believe there’s any chance Trump would be better about Gaza.
There are 2 options:
death in Gaza and status quo in the US
death in Gaza and loss of human rights and possibly our democracy in the US
What definition of democracy are we using here? Just so we’re on the same page.
I do not think trump was making a meaningful change on that level, in any case. The US never had a true people’s rule it that’s what you mean, for trump to take it away.
What definition of democracy are we using here? Just so we’re on the same page.
I do not think trump was making a meaningful change on that level, in any case. The US never had a true people’s rule it that’s what you mean, for trump to take it away.
I’d more likely agree that it’s a cold way to put it. Hardly flowery, and hardly is someone trying to convince you to vote a certain way voter suppression. That’s just called politics. That’s like, the core conceit of an election, no less.
If you’re going to protest vote at least be honest about what it is, “it’s not a spoiler vote, I’m just intentionally not voting for the candidate I [most likely] prefer on this candidate I know won’t win.”
No one knows your chosen third party candidate exists, and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, they still wouldn’t win.
In the last election, Biden got 50% of the popular vote, and Trump got 45%. Say for the sake of argument that if nothing else happens, 2024 will have the exact same spread. Suppose you’re the best campaign manager ever and manage to convince 2/3 of the people who would have voted for Biden, plus everyone who was going to vote third party, to vote for your candidate instead. (Given the current state of money in politics I should not need to explain why this is infeasible, but suppose it is.) Congratulations! Your candidate now has 37% of the nationwide vote. Unfortunately, that’s not good enough, because Trump’s voter base, who care not for your leftist policies, still gave 45% of the vote to him, and he wins the election.
All voting third party instead of Biden does is make it more likely that Trump will win.
Situation A you vote for 3rd party
candidate 3 loses for sure winner is biggest of ‘t’ and ‘b-1’. Which we can rewrite as biggest of ‘t+1’ and ‘b’
Where is my money?!
Why b-1 instead of just b votes? “because the vote could’ve otherwise went to B” well it could’ve also went to T, but I don’t see you accounting for it as t-1.
This math has a double standard.
The assumption is OP isn’t a Trump supporter.
they are also clearly not a Biden supporter. They do not support either candidate, so the two options should be treated equally.
This is that “enlightened centrism” false equivalence.
I honestly can’t believe that in good faith you can compare Biden and Trump as equals.
One is a president whos platform is making minimal change.
The other is a president whos platform is to tear down democracy and human rights.
If you honestly can look at these two and say they are equal than I have to conclude you are at least indifferent to maintaining democracy and human rights.
I know the “counter argument” is about Biden and Israel/Gaza, but the thing is, that’s not really up for debate because I don’t believe there’s any chance Trump would be better about Gaza.
There are 2 options:
What definition of democracy are we using here? Just so we’re on the same page.
I do not think trump was making a meaningful change on that level, in any case. The US never had a true people’s rule it that’s what you mean, for trump to take it away.
Gaza is not the only issue.
What definition of democracy are we using here? Just so we’re on the same page.
I do not think trump was making a meaningful change on that level, in any case. The US never had a true people’s rule it that’s what you mean, for trump to take it away.
Gaza is not the only issue.
In the smoke these vote suppressionist’s are blowing up your arse.
Spoiler votes are hardly smoke or even a controversial concept. They are a natural consequence of first past the post elections.
Star voting would solve almost all of these issues.
Flowery way to put it. Vote suppression is fine for me.
I’d more likely agree that it’s a cold way to put it. Hardly flowery, and hardly is someone trying to convince you to vote a certain way voter suppression. That’s just called politics. That’s like, the core conceit of an election, no less.
If you’re going to protest vote at least be honest about what it is, “it’s not a spoiler vote, I’m just intentionally not voting for the candidate I [most likely] prefer on this candidate I know won’t win.”
That’s only true if one assumes the vote would have gone to Biden in the absence of third parties.
What is the leftist alternative then? To not vote?
Please tell me you’re not one of those people who believes not voting will make neither candidate win?
Please let me know when you’ve read the original post my guy. Enjoy your day.
Oh, pardon me. My bad. I was engaging with your hypothetical about who you would vote for in the absence of third parties.
Would you care to answer that?
Completely irrelevant point my guy. There ARE 3rd parties lmao.
The math I am asking for does not include a binary choice.
How many fucking times do I have to explain it?
No one knows your chosen third party candidate exists, and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, they still wouldn’t win.
In the last election, Biden got 50% of the popular vote, and Trump got 45%. Say for the sake of argument that if nothing else happens, 2024 will have the exact same spread. Suppose you’re the best campaign manager ever and manage to convince 2/3 of the people who would have voted for Biden, plus everyone who was going to vote third party, to vote for your candidate instead. (Given the current state of money in politics I should not need to explain why this is infeasible, but suppose it is.) Congratulations! Your candidate now has 37% of the nationwide vote. Unfortunately, that’s not good enough, because Trump’s voter base, who care not for your leftist policies, still gave 45% of the vote to him, and he wins the election.
All voting third party instead of Biden does is make it more likely that Trump will win.
Where’s my $100?