cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17956865
‘It is time for this war to end,’ Harris tells Netanyahu; ‘I will not be silent’ on Palestinian suffering
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17956865
‘It is time for this war to end,’ Harris tells Netanyahu; ‘I will not be silent’ on Palestinian suffering
After a public letter condemning all protesters.
It’s almost as if politicians (particularly at this level) often need to walk a rhetorical tightrope so as to avoid alienating large swathes of voters. Crazy.
Its almost as if the person you’re responding to is saying that public letter condemning all protestors is alienating them. Crazy.
Yes, that is what they said. And…?
I believe the point they’re making is that she alienated more voters condemning the protests than she would have by refusing to.
Are those voters likely to vote for Trump instead? Or do you think the centrists that Democrats tiptoe around during election years are?
Once she’s in, once the immediate danger to the basic functioning of our government is over, I’ll be interested to see how she handles it. Right now though? She seems to be providing criticism while walking a careful line and trying to play it safe.
If she doesn’t come firmly down on refusing to materially support the IDF after the election, I’ll be first in line to start making noise about it. But at the moment? We need to secure our ability to have future elections first or it’s going to get a whole lot worse. I get it.
You mean SOME, not all. That is the tight rope. You’re not everyone
“them” was referring to the person who wrote the message
FIFY
The majority of the Democrat voterbase opposes genocide. She is continuing to drive Democrat voters to third parties by not taking a strong anti-genocide stance.
I love how simple people here think this is. Just say fuck Israel, go full force against them and when Trump wins we will… Wait, what?oh yeah, now we don’t get the votes we need to win and now Trump wins and now Trump will make it exponentially worse for Gaza and Ukraine and the entire fucking world.
It. Is. Not. That. Easy.
Let her win first, shall we, please? Pretty please? Once she wins you can throw all this anti genocide stuff on her head but until then please realize that she’ll have to appease large groups of people who are so pro Israel that they ignore the genocide.
This. I say this every time and somehow it doesn’t help, nobody gets it. Politics, any politics, is walking tightropes. Even dictators have to walk certain tightropes to not get toppled within minutes. Democracies are so much worse (and thus better, in the end) when it comes to tightropes everywhere
So, this “tightrope walk” gives politicians a free pass to lie to voters about what they intend to do once they’re in office? How is that fair? No one is able to make an informed decision that way.
How can deceiving citizens possibly improve the quality of leadership in any country, democratic or otherwise? It’s called manipulation and that’s what you do when you don’t want the other party to have a choice in the matter. It’s what you do when you want to seize control.
I’m not saying it’s good, I’m saying that that’s unfortunately how politics works
When I read the article it didn’t seem like all, it was the violent ones and the ones who were tagging about Hamas on near/on government property (which like, kinda whatever to that one).
In that same article she condemned Hamas while talking about the lives of Gazans. I feel like people have been talking about the difference between Gaza and Hamas here on Lemmy, but when it’s talked about by VP/Presidential Candidate it’s suddenly not possible to have that be distinguished?
The only thing that she’s missing here is our perspective, which overall seems to come down to, “yes the actions of Hamas are abhorrent and terroristic, however they also are doing so somewhat out of necessity due to the Israeli state working so hard to kill them. That doesn’t make the actions of Hamas okay, it simply makes the citizens of Palestine stuck between two organizations.” Hence our support for Palestine, because what are they going to do? It’s death either direction, and at least one is wanting to give them statehood and the other wants them extinct.
She is partway there. She has recognized a difference between Gaza and Hamas, she has condemned the death put forth by both Hamas and Israel, while also speaking out against violent protesters and flag burners. Obviously, she is missing the fact that Israel wants Palestine the way Russia wants Ukraine the way China wants Taiwan. And that U.S. citizens are against that. Hence our protests.
So frustrating.
Same excuse Biden used to condemn the student protesters.
And the same was said towards violent protesters throughout 2016. Almost like when violence and destruction of public property is disliked by politicians and they say something about it! It’s bullshit for sure, because the “perfect” protest is not something that will always happen. It must be composed of “perfectly polite people doing and saying perfectly perfectly polite things” which is just not going to happen.
Where I grew up our protests weren’t antagonized as much (just by cops) but where I moved the cops are legitimately Nazis. Here we’ve had bricks thrown at us, media spin us as Antifa being suppressed by tear gas when we protest the literal Nazi rally - I’m on the go but I can post the article in an edit later. So tell me, how can we be perfectly peaceful when our peaceful protests are met with violence. Even if we stood still and were attacked without defending ourselves it would probably still be our fault for having started a peaceful protest.