•  Safeguard   ( @Safeguard@beehaw.org ) 
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      It’s weirder then that: The reason is: “It’s god’s plan that you became pregnant, and if you do not survive, that’s god’s plan too. We just need to trust the plan”.

      It’s one of the reasons why I strongly believe religion is the source of all things evil.

      • Abortion has never been a form of birth control. It has always been a fail-safe for when birth control fails (e.g. a condom breaks) or could not be used (e.g. because a woman was raped). Please do not repeat right-wing misinformation.

        • @argv_minus_one making abortions completely legal and encouraging them would lead to that right? statistics all seem to support abortions being used as a form of birth control. this is not right wing misinformation, studies by the NAF states that 48% of women who have had an abortion have had two or more. which is quite high considering 48% of women do not have those abortions as a medical procedure.

          • making abortions completely legal and encouraging them would lead to that right?

            No, because they’re more expensive, more time-consuming, and more dangerous than birth control.

            studies by the NAF states that 48% of women who have had an abortion have had two or more.

            Which does not demonstrate that they are using abortion as birth control. That would be demonstrated by hundreds of abortions, not merely two, and virtually no one can even afford hundreds of abortions.

            Once again, please stop repeating right-wing misinformation.

          • I’m sorry, why can’t it be used as birth control? Why can’t a medical procedure between a doctor and patient be done to better the life of the patient?

            This whole anti abortion thing started with one guy in America forever ago and has spread from there. But before his crusade against abortions not many people felt one way or another about them. This seems to me like a group of people advocating making any cancer removal illegal.

            • @Didros personally I believe that life begins at conception. I don’t find myself agreeing with the argument of “oh it’s not a living being yet, so it’s okay to kill”. I believe that even though it’s a clump of cells, eliminating it would take away the potential of life from it. In the same sense, destroying a TV remote is fine because it has zero potential for life. However this does not make me Pro life, because I do acknowledge the hardships of life ; abortions are okay as a medical procedure.

              • Yeah, but cancer is a litteral lump of living cells. It’s an apt comparison.

                And a sperm meeting an egg suddenly meaning life potential which is worth intervening in another’s medical decision is such a weird line. Especially in this county obsessed with freedoms.

                It feels like such an arbitrary line to draw and agree with. When did you start this belief?

                • @Didros cancer is a clump of living cells that does not have the potential to turn into a living human being.
                  I’m quite young and I’m still yet to form opinions that are set in stone, I’d say I started believing in my arbitrary line about a month ago. It was influenced by emotions along with statistics about abortions in the US.

                  • It is totally OK to be young and still forming your opinions! It is doubly OK, a sign of maturity even, to be self-aware about where those opinions are abased in fact and where they are driven by emotion (well done, there).

                    Now, if you can add a healthy understanding of how your opinions might impact the emotions of others (say, pregnant people whose health is under threat), why, you’ve got yourself the makings of an adult conversation.

                    So maybe go back, re-read the title of the article and give it a think. You’ll be miles ahead of 99% of the ‘adults’ on the internet if you do.

                  •  Didros   ( @Didros@beehaw.org ) 
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                    Yes, that is accurate, they won’t become a human baby. But neither will a pregnancy of a woman who can not afford to be pregnant. Studies show legal and illegal abortions happen at about the same rate, just not safey. Usually when abortions are legal for a bit the rate of abortions actually drops more than when illegal for a time.

                    Edit: a source for abortion rates and legality: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-the-u-s-compares-with-the-rest-of-the-world-on-abortion-rights
                    Though because of the nature of this debate you can find very convincing studies that find tge exact opposite from all over tge internet. Figured PBS would be a mostly trusted source.

                    Also fun fact time: a clump of cancer cells turned out to be one of the biggest medical discoveries of this Era of medicine. If you wanna know more about what happened to Henrietta Lacks: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/henriettalacks/