But seriously though, I don’t want my feed filled with Facebook posts.
Yeah that’s my reason for wanting to defederate aswell. Not the fear of EEE or such
I think this is a culture clash between the privacy minded FOSS crowd that is naturally drawn to a project like Lemmy and the influx of average redditors thats just looking for a new home.
If you already have zero trust in these megacorporations you will naturally gravitate towards preemtive defederation.
I don’t think any sane reddit refugee would trust corporations after experiencing first-hand how that ends up lol
Who says they’re sane?
I happen to fall into the center of that venn diagram and honestly I feel like the “preemptively defederate!” crowd is acting before it’s even truly clear how to best act and everyone else who says “ehh let’s wait and see how this is going to go before we act” is just getting drowned out by the folks screaming about the end of the Fediverse.
I don’t trust Meta any further than I can throw their servers, but I find it hard to imagine there won’t be some middle ground that isn’t “BLOCK EVERYONE WHO SO MUCH AS TOUCHED A META PRODUCT ONCE” that ends up being the healthiest option
Edit to add: I’ve taken a similar approach to the instant defederating of Lemmy instances with unverified signups since the current phase of Lemmy is so fresh I have no reason to take a hardline stance before it’s clear exactly what the ramifications are. Obviously as an individual I also have the benefit of being able to just go with the flow that an instance admin might not but still
You know you’re taking a stance either way? It’s nice to say “wait and see”, but you can wait and see while being defederated as well. Starting to federate is basically the same decision as stopping to federate. Just because the one happens by default does not mean that federation happening isn’t a conscious choice.
It’s like laying in bed all day. Yea, you were in bed, so it’s the default, so you could say you just “wait and see what the day brings”. But you’re still effectively choosing to stay in bed. You don’t need to be surprised if nothing interesting happens in your day, and it was your choice that nothing interesting happens.
Same with federation and defederation. We already know Facebook is a bad actor. If we federate with them, we’re saying “all right let’s tolerate the shit coming at us”, we’re not “waiting and seeing what the day brings”, because we already know the day is not going to be interesting, since we’re staying in bed.
Sure, you might discover a new game on your phone while in bed and the day might still be amazing. We might discover threads is not bad after all. But it’s just so much more likely to have cool things happen in a day when you’re out of bed doing things. Same as it’s much more likely that Threads is going to be shit.
The fediverse is entirely public. Every action you take (all posts, votes, favorites, etc) is public. Meta will scrape all the data whether Threads federates or not, there’s no privacy difference because there’s no privacy!
Why would they need to scrape anything (which puts them at legal risks)? Threads is vastly bigger than the Fediverse. What do they care about having 1% more content, especially if a lot of that content is stuff their users don’t care about? They don’t even need to scrape stuff because humans will naturally repost content. How much of reddit was reposted from other social media sites by humans?
I think the only people here not wanting to defederate from fb are trolls.
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll”
I’ve seen two reasons to defederate, one is a “lack of trust”, which is hilarious because you’re on an open platform and you really shouldn’t “trust” anyone here, and if you think defederation is going to keep corporate interests out as the fediverse grows… Lol
The other is an overwhelming change in content, which I think is the only fair reason to defederate.
Don’t worry, they’ll defederate you, if you allow NSFW content.
Are people really saying “the fediverse is doomed”?
ANNA!
The nice solution: “Defederate preemptively.”
The substill solution: “Create an army of bots that spam goatse, tubgirl, and other offensive content in response to any threads user post or comment. Make Meta flee.”
I came here because Reddit is changing, and I don’t like it. I’m generally helpful. But if someone is being an idiot, or a bigot. I want to point and laugh at them if I so choose.
For a while the content on Reddit has been lacking, and people (myself included) are having to watch what they say. I wanted to find a place where I can generally be helpful and share my “old person knowledge”, but if someone’s being an a not great human being. I don’t have to be afraid to tell them so.
The biggest problem that I see with Lemmy is the sign up process. If someone were to ask me to explain to them how to sign up. I’m not sure I could. Like I googled “how to create Lemmy account”. I found a Reddit post that offered a list of Lemmy instances. The first like 3 I tried didn’t work.
When I finally found one that let me create a login. The rest was pretty easy. Honestly, since getting here I enjoy Lemmy more than Reddit these days. I don’t quite have my news dialed in like I want yet, but I’ll get there.
Anyway, that’s my two cents as a new user.
I think that’s why, when twitter first got shitty and everyone said to go to Mastodon, not that many people (relatively) did. Because, no one knew how to explain it in a way for non techy people to understand or want to deal with.
I also think it’s much easier to explain now, tell them to go to https://join-lemmy.org/ and pick a server. “which one?” Doesn’t matter, click one, read the sidebar, If you agree with what they said then sign up, if not pick another one. (Or just tell them to pick the one you signed up for already) That’s your lemmy site now and you can see all the content from the all the other lemmy sites from yours unless it’s blocked.
Same thing for Mastodon https://joinmastodon.org/servers