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 kjwk   ( @lysy@szmer.info )  to World News@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago

Finnish PM Sanna Marin said on Tuesday that Finland should have listened more to the Baltics when it came to Russia, adding that Finland's NATO accession is bound to lead to closer relations.

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Finnish PM Sanna Marin said on Tuesday that Finland should have listened more to the Baltics when it came to Russia, adding that Finland's NATO accession is bound to lead to closer relations.

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 kjwk   ( @lysy@szmer.info )  to World News@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago
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Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin said on Tuesday that Finland should have listened more to the Baltics when it came to Russia, adding that Finland's NATO accession is bound to lead to closer relations.
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  •  straightpeach   ( @straightpeach@lemmy.ml ) 
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      The past 30 or so years has been slow movement towards NATO so that if shit ever hit the fan, Finland could join pretty much immediately. This in conjuction with building self defense capabilities that would make an invasion - specifically by the Russian army - incredibly expensive.

      In the end, the decisions to not join NATO and then to join were both done on national security grounds, and not for some sort of ideological stance. Finland’s just shedding the remaining bits of finlandization now.

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      •  kjwk   ( @lysy@szmer.info ) OP
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        In favor of security.

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          •  Ninmi   ( @Ninmi@sopuli.xyz ) 
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            How

            Strongest military alliance on the planet.

            Russia as an enemy

            Starting a land war in Europe is going to make Europe treat you like a threat.

            more danger of conflict

            See Ukraine.

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              •  kerela22   ( @kerela22@lemmy.ml ) 
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                everyday Ukrainians are dying, regular people like you and me. when you say ‘ukrainian fascists’ I find it really offensive. The russian rockets don’t ask about the political ideology before they blow up innocent civilians.

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              Strongest military alliance on the planet.

              Except the opposite has been shown to be the case now that this alliance has been put to test https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare/

              Starting a land war in Europe is going to make Europe treat you like a threat.

              Then please explain NATO invasion of Yugoslavia to us.

              See Ukraine.

              The same Ukraine that’s been trained by NATO to “NATO standard”, supplied by NATO, and all but integrated into NATO already?

              Ukraine had an army that was by far the biggest and most experienced, after 8 years of civil war, in Europe. No other NATO country aside from US even comes close. This army is currently losing to a force that Russia deployed which accounts for a small part of Russia’s overall military strength.

              The lesson from Ukraine is pretty clearly that it’s a very bad idea for NATO to continue escalating tensions with Russia.

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            Winter War can tell you something.

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    Finland doing their old game of supporting nazi regimes I see

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    Feels refreshing to see news about Finland pop up that are not about Marin’s partying scandal. There’s a reason I haven’t read domestic news actively for at least few weeks.

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      Really, it’s so popular in Finland? Is it so surprising to people that she is a human, and like every human she is having a party from time to time?

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        The topic dominated many headlines, be it tabloids or websites.

        Is it so surprising to people that she is a human, and like every human she is having a party from time to time?

        Yes! The party however appeared to be more raunchy and there were rumors about drugs being used. Marin even had to do a drug test that was negative.

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          Why do you say that party [edit: involving Sanna Marin, not Boris Johnson] was illegal?

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              I mean a recent party with Sanna Marin.

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          Not sure if your joking or not but… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-3m8nn-QxE8

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      A story about a party is a great way to distract people from real problems Finland faces like food and energy shortages.

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          Meanwhile in the real world https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/fortum-says-rising-costs-nordic-power-trading-are-worrying-2022-08-25/

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              I just love how myopic you are. Why do you think prices are going up, and last I checked Finland wasn’t self sufficient in terms of food, and in fact heavily relies on imports. Imagine thinking that Finland will be spared food and energy shortages the rest of Europe is suffering. You don’t live in a bubble little buddy.

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                  Oh he admits there will be shortages, but the same experts that created the current crisis assure him that everything will be fine. One has to have an exceptionally smooth brain to believe that. Living in Finland, you’ll soon get to understand the reality of the situation when winter comes in a few months.

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        Clickbait articles == $$, sadly.

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    Says the prime minister of the country who allied with Nazi Germany in WW2.

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      WHATABAUT!

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        It’s not just the whataboutism. It’s the deliberate mischaracterization of Finnish involvement in WW2. But the fact that Finland did fight alongside Nazi Germany against the USSR, even if for very different objectives, is enough to form an effective propaganda bludgeon.

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    This is a good thing™, and it’s nice to see an article that’s not about her social life.

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    Too beautiful to be “peoples” leader actually. :)

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