- anytimesoon ( @anytimesoon@lemmy.ml ) 49•5 months ago
The point should be to bring everyone up, not pull others down, though
- galoisghost ( @galoisghost@aussie.zone ) 33•5 months ago
There aren’t a limited amount of rights that can only be handed out to be shared amongst people.
There are just rights and everyone should be entitled to them.
- tacosanonymous ( @tacosanonymous@lemm.ee ) 32•5 months ago
That’s impossible since the point was a superficial elevation of their own interests.
Unless you think the point of feminism (for example) is to make men second class citizens. That’s just not a thing. It’s a rhetoric created by assholes to get ignorant people on board with their continued grossness.
- Rooskie91 ( @Rooskie91@discuss.online ) 11•5 months ago
There’s also a psychological phenomenon that occurs in ‘elite classes’ where they think that someone getting more means they get less. They literally cannot fathom someone getting welfare without it affecting them negatively. It’s one of the reasons why poor people still support Republicans.
- H4rdStyl3z ( @H4rdStyl3z@lemmy.ml ) 11•5 months ago
Unless you think the point of feminism (for example) is to make men second class citizens. That’s just not a thing. It’s a rhetoric created by assholes to get ignorant people on board with their continued grossness.
I think there may be some radicals who genuinely wish for that, but those don’t represent the entire movement and usually only pay lip service to the cause where it aligns with their personal beliefs. They should be ignored.
- tacosanonymous ( @tacosanonymous@lemm.ee ) 7•5 months ago
I’m not even sure the radicals want that. Anger is an appropriate response to oppression. Vengeance is an extreme form of that but I doubt anyone that isn’t truly damaged would be okay with it.
- tubaruco ( @tubaruco@lemm.ee ) 4•5 months ago
a lot of women who call themselves feminist believe theyre superior to men instead of equal. most of those are very loud about it, so feminism turns into a term that describes that, even if the “real” meaning isn’t that.
- Cowbee ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 11•5 months ago
“A lot?” No.
- shuzuko ( @shuzuko@midwest.social ) English3•5 months ago
L O fucking L
No shit, the only thing leftists want to pull down are systems of exploitation.
- pingveno ( @pingveno@lemmy.ml ) English6•5 months ago
At the same time, privileged people will still sometimes feel a loss of something when you’re portioning out a finite resource. So if a particular group is 25% of the population and they were getting 75% of the pie before and now they’re getting 25% of the pie, that’s a loss. It’s a justified loss, but it’s still a loss.
That said, there are other things like rights that are not finite in any meaningful sense of the word. When someone is feeling a loss because an oppressed group gained rights, it’s usually because they’re an oppressive asshole.
- criitz ( @criitz@reddthat.com ) 11•5 months ago
Are you in this meme right now?
- Signtist ( @Signtist@lemm.ee ) 5•5 months ago
The issue is that people generally view their situation not by how much they have, but how much more they have than others. It’s like a race to these people - who’s winning isn’t based on how close to the goal they are, it’s based on how far ahead of the competitors they are. People who have everything they need often see others getting to that same point as competitors catching up, and, seeing that they are not advancing themselves, they feel that they need to prevent that in order to maintain their lead. It’s meant to be everyone working together, but few see it that way, especially among the current “winners.”
- Midnitte ( @Midnitte@beehaw.org ) 3•5 months ago
Making sure the rain forest isn’t destroyed doesn’t mean letting the pinebarrens be converted into a strip mall.
- octopus_ink ( @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml ) English3•5 months ago
That’s well and good, but bringing everyone up needs to be done in consideration of lasting multigenerational harm from what has come previously, and areas where we as a people and nation continue to marginalize, underserve, and sometimes actively harm some segments of our population.
Folks who think those things should be ignored are not actually interested in bringing everyone up.
- bartolomeo ( @bartolomeo@suppo.fi ) 20•5 months ago
It’s funny because extending rights to marginalized people does not by any means diminish the rights of the privileged.
- dangblingus ( @dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 16•5 months ago
Turns out, the cruelty of knowing you have more rights than others was part of the fun the whole time.
- bartolomeo ( @bartolomeo@suppo.fi ) 5•5 months ago
No doubt that’s appealing to some (one example is the USA civil rights movement in the 1960s, especially with states conforming to federal laws that mandate desegregation of schools) but I think another advantage for the privileged is the lack of competition for good jobs, study places etc… If 50% of your peers are kept in slums then just by biological outcomes (lack of nutrition and sleep) the odds are very much in your favor. Throw in the psychological effects of poverty, mass incarceration, addiction and you have a situation like a running race where half the contestants have a broken leg. Fear of a level playing field might be another factor in why the privileged don’t want equal rights. BUT, imagine if we had 50% more people working on a cure for cancer etc.
- ShaggySnacks ( @ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one ) English2•5 months ago
But, but, but…I am winning everything. Can’t let those marginalized communities beat me. I’ve been told everything is a zero sum game! I say in the most whiny, navel voice. The kind of the voice that makes your soul shiver up and die
For those who you are wondering, the above comment was dripping in sarcasm. Human Rights are not a zero sum game. When marginalized communities prosper, we all better off as a society.
- kingthrillgore ( @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ) 14•5 months ago
Yes Stormy, we’re gonna hunt you for sport. You and the rest of the Pod 6 jerks.
- kellyaster ( @kellyaster@kbin.social ) 12•5 months ago
Related JAQing off opinion piece in The Guardian posted today: “Where are all the films about ‘whiteness’?” .
For those unfamiliar with the acronym, JAQ = “Just asking questions,” a bad faith tactic pushing an absurd narrative (e.g. “movies for white people are disappearing”) by pretending to ask innocent questions.
Direct quote, emphasis mine:
That’s why the final step towards true racial equality on screen is for whiteness to be cinematically named, described and dethroned from its “just human” position of cultural power. It’s time for white people to develop a cinema culture all of their own.
It’s riddled with white power talking points like this. This shit is really fucked up. It is irresponsible for a well-known major news source to publish shit like this, even with the “opinion” label attached. It’s basically right wing extremist (aka Nazi) recruitment propaganda.
- BaldProphet ( @BaldProphet@kbin.social ) 1•5 months ago
The real problem with that Guardian piece is the insistence on perpetuating a superficial identity marker well past its expiration date. Why do we keep breathing life into the dead horse that is racism? Let it die along with the aging population of people who grew up when it was still cool to think that race exists.
- dangblingus ( @dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•5 months ago
The “Carlson Gambit”.
- MxM111 ( @MxM111@kbin.social ) 11•5 months ago
There is equity, and there is equality, and those are different things. I do think that forceful push to maintain percentages in various aspects of life to correspond to percentages of population often is actually unjust. For example, to insist that it should be strictly 50/50 percentage (or whatever it is) between men and women in all professions e.g. police, school teachers, etc. and actually stop hiring a particular gender until this 50/50 distribution is established is not good.
- Cagi ( @Cagi@lemmy.ca ) 4•5 months ago
There can be only none, Debbie!
- Snot Flickerman ( @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English4•5 months ago
Marduk desires not the barren wasteland of your desiccated viscera.
- Ghost33313 ( @Ghost33313@kbin.social ) 1•5 months ago
I didn’t expect to see regular Stormy!
- Froyn ( @Froyn@kbin.social ) 1•5 months ago
Martian Law!
- wick ( @wick@lemm.ee ) 4•5 months ago
Seeeaaalaaab underneath the water
God damn that theme song is a banger
- t0fr ( @t0fr@lemmy.ca ) 3•5 months ago
It took me a second to understand “cishet” I’m not used to seeing both terms smudged together and shortened line that
- phorq ( @phorq@lemmy.ml ) Español2•5 months ago
I thought it was a misspelling of cishette (a short cisgendered person)… I was excited for a second as a white cishette heterosexual male that my people were finally being singled out in a meme with a cool new nickname… There are DOZENS of us!
- Peter Arbeitslos ( @Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.de ) Deutsch3•5 months ago
As a cishet white man I can confirm that I hate every minority, especially women and blacks.
- MBM ( @MBM@lemmings.world ) 4•5 months ago
I’m also cishet white man, but I’m self-aware enough to know this meme isn’t about me
- Peter Arbeitslos ( @Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.de ) Deutsch1•5 months ago
I know this meme isnt about me but I criticize it anyway.
- bane_killgrind ( @bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml ) English3•5 months ago
This is funny because the cishet white guy the meme refers to thinks it’s his right to stand-your-ground a guy walking around the neighborhood.
- Snot Flickerman ( @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English3•5 months ago
I know Ellis Henican has a whole ass career that isn’t voice acting, but it kills me we only ever got him as Stormy Waters and nothing else. He’s got such a great voice!
- MNByChoice ( @MNByChoice@midwest.social ) 2•5 months ago
Yes, and I is a shock to hear that the struggles you have been through were easier than another’s. We often have no idea what is going on in someone else’s life. Apparently, support groups are good for overcoming this as one hears about the supports others have, or do not have.
- Alex ( @ultra@feddit.ro ) 2•5 months ago
*neurotypical cis white men
- xor ( @xor@infosec.pub ) 2•5 months ago
yep… because all white men think like this, and only white men think like this…
- davel [he/him] ( @davel@lemmy.ml ) English2•5 months ago
s are still flagging this post
- davel [he/him] ( @davel@lemmy.ml ) English1•4 days ago
Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: racismGood luck with that, reporter.