If there’s one thing I know about the situation, a LOT of people who otherwise haven’t bothered are scrambling to download yuzu, if for any other reason to say fuck Nintendo.
It’s me, I’m people.
Me too. I’ve never cared for Switch games, I don’t even have a console, but now I’m discovering many gems on my computer.
Both of my roommates own a switch and I’m welcome to use them. If I’m gonna play, I’ll just use those. Still, I’m people.
same
Open source projects do not grow by themselves. It requires serious effort from dedicated developers to develop and maintain applications as complicated as an emulator. Yuzu’s developers are banned from doing so and I don’t see how this incident could help bringing more developers.
I’m sure there will be developers capable enough to keep it working on new operating systems. Games that worked with it until now will keep on working, and that’s what matters to most people anyways. No need for major changes to the codebase.
to keep it working on new operating systems
That’s really easier said than done
Yeah, of all the forks and mirrors I’ve checked out, none of them even have the Android builds. Obviously I’ve not checked them all, but still…
What do you mean with they are banned? Who’s gonna stop them from contributing to one of the many Yuzu forks? What are they gonna do about it?
A permanent injunction is entered against Defendant enjoining it and its members, agents, servants, employees, independent contractors, successors, assigns, and all those acting in privity or under its control from:
a. Offering to the public, providing, marketing, advertising, promoting, selling, testing, hosting, cloning, distributing, or otherwise trafficking in Yuzu or any source code or features of Yuzu
IANAL but that sounds like the court is banning those developers from working on Yuzu. I mean, you can still try to work on project that is 90% Yuzu but with another name but I feel like your lawyer would advise against that.
Nintendo would stop them. If yuzu devs want to go to court, they can continue development.
Yuzu devs could do it anonymously, but that’s gl on not doxxing yourself, at risk of lawsuit.
this doesn’t apply to hundreds of their contributors tho right
What if I told you that throwing more developers at a problem != that problem getting solved faster?
there are hundreds of open issues on ryujinx.
so there are hundreds of problems with zero developers to solve them.
Switch 2s architecture will probably be very similar, so Nintendo might have done it to protect the next gen.
Yeah like that is going to work. There are forks left and right.
Forks are meaningless.
Unless a team steps up to continue development, the project is as good as dead.
I can still play emulated games right now, so its alive and well for my purpose (playing games that I fucking paid for without stutter at 60fps)
Are there any that actually have a new team behind them that would presumably add Switch 2 support?
Dunno, but it will come
It is working. It buys them enough time to sell enough new hardware and games. It will take a really long time until development picks up again, since basically every developer associated (not necessarily every one who has contributed to the project) with the yuzu group can no longer legally work on that project. So basically a lot of expertise is lost.
There are literally working forks right now. Switch 2 support is different though. We’ll have to wait and see how that turns out.
Yes there are forks, but having a fork and maintaining it are 2 completely different things.
Absolutely.
Although i think the need and the drive to use emulators is higher then ever. So the next project without direct responsibility will come eventually I think.
Of course it’s not gonna work. But that’s just how lawyers think I suppose.
More like Nintendo thinks they can deal with their costumers, but the outcome stays the same so it doesn’t really matter
It’s a shame about Yuzu. Have you heard about this new emulator called Nuzu?
“Sue you” lmao
Don’t forget about it’s inevitable fork “suye”.
This aged like milk.
Don’t be silly, milk lasts a whole lot longer
This time it won’t be based in Jersey either good luck closing down a project hosted in China or San Marino. The Yuzu team has done a great service closing the case as quickly as possible
Yes but they are debt slaves to Nintendo for life
Not necessarily. The LLC will pay out as much as it can and then filler for bankruptcy. The individuals will likely get off scott free since they’ve not actually been convicted of any wrongdoing.
I imagine that developing Yuzu and Citra would be a huge item on their CVs, too. Honestly, if Nintendo were smart, they would have tried to buy the project somehow and hire the developers to work on backwards compatibility for whatever the console that comes after the Switch 2 is…
Jokes on Nintendo, my next handheld is most likely still going to be a steam deck (clone?). The only difference now is I won’t buy a physical game and emulate their games on it by (downloading) a backup.
I’m not proud of it but I’ve pirated games when I was a kid, but I bought every game I pirated if I could get it on modern hardware. Even the mediocre games like Minecraft.
It’s tempting as a kid when your parents gets you an Xbox but never got any games for it, eventually you wanna play more than demos. They got duke nukem forever with the xbox and as a kid I preferred the pack in game of Kinect adventures over it.
Definitely get a Deck, it’s shocking how powerful the hardware is. If price is an issue you can wait until the refurbished ones go on sale again and pick up the cheapest model for $280.
One day when I don’t feel as poor. I got more important things like going into debt for a piece of paper.
Nintendo basically sent out a press release saying “Its super easy to pirate our games!”. This is really only positive for them if no other projects show up.
And if ryujinx didn’t also exist
Shhh
So, if I was to download this, I could play all the Switch games? Sounds fun. I definitly wouldnt do it, I have too much respect for Nintendo, but if I had do it, what games do people would recommend, for example? I just want to bring awarNES on this.
I’m playing the Super Mario RPG remake now.
I never played it, or really any JRPG before (at least not very much). I gotta say I’m really enjoying it.
While it’s weird that they waited so long, emulating Nintendo systems is nothing new. We used to emulate SNES in the late 90s. Nintendo has generally always been the first and last name in quality single player gaming experiences, and their games are always in high demand. There will always be a contingent of people dedicated to emulating Nintendo systems, no matter what Barbara Streisand has to say about the matter.
What stops the yuzu devs from working on ryujinx?
If I were Ryujinx I would immediately not let encrypted games play with future updates.
But…a random program online not affiliated with Ryujinx would crop up online and would… mysteriously decrypt games
… Huh how coincidental
So they’ll stop giving frequent updates to the software huh? That’ll make it easier to pirate.
My speculation is that their main goal was to thwart the teams potential efforts emulating the next Nintendo console. It is likely going to be close enough to the switch that the same team will have an easy time emulating it. Not anymore.
That right let’s teach them a lesson by enjoying their hard work and artistic expression without paying them because that makes them the assholes!
Nintendo refuses to fix the joycon drift issue and still charges full price for a 7 years old device. We will call it a moral draw.
Funny how people use that term moral victory when what they mean is that they have no “moral” qualms with stealing. Especially if they can convince themselves the company deserves it. Thats what you’ve said. Rules and laws don’t apply as long as you have your “moral victory” Congrats, winner!
Seriously, when did the entire emulator scene turn into a bunch of whiny simps crying foul every time Nintendo, a company of hard working and creative artists ,tries to protect its art. Seriously, at what point of success are you allowed to labor without being exploited by shitty people who refuse to pay for art. Video games are art, the makers are artist, and people who emulate for the purpose of piracy are shit. You’re not kewl and edgy because you refuse to pay for something. It makes you a useless freeloader. Your actions ensure the continued enshitification of gaming. You’re the reason everything is a live service hell of micro transactions and $20 horse skins. Buy the games, support the artist, quit trying to justify your actions, and if you like me enjoy emulation legally, stop standing up for and supporting the useless freeloaders.
Congrats! You’re part of the problem!
i’ve been known to be a bit of a naughty boy
The very beginning. The emulator scene has existed since the 80s. The emulator scene has fought against Nintendo since literally the NES. And they have frequently won.
But for what purpose other than to circumvent honest and responsible commerce? I have not seen a single reasonable explanation for why emulation and piracy are intrinsically linked and therefore require support for one in order to substantiate the other.
I’m anti capitalist and explicitly anti commerce, especially with regards to large corporations, so. Whether it’s for piracy or not doesn’t matter. When I buy a game, I should have a legal right to do whatever I want with the data comprising that game. Including creating software to play it on other devices. It, therefore, should absolutely be legal to create and use emulators. Whether a particular end user is using it on legitimately purchased copies is beyond the scope of control of the creator of the emulator. This was already settled in courts in the 90s.
Piracy is also moral. It’s always moral to pirate content created and/or distributed my international corporations with income in the billions.
So morality of crime is defined by the success of the victim? So if you become incredibly successful for what you created there becomes a point where it’s moral for you to lose all rights and control over your art? So then the moral of the lesson is art is worthless and creating new things serves no useful purpose? Almost like the game companies learned that same lesson from people like you and just started making shittier games to accommodate their shittier fans. Thank you!
So morality of crime is defined by the success of the victim?
Close, the morality of a crime is defined by the impact that committing the crime has on the lives and rights of others. Killing someone is a vile crime. You’ve taken away someone’s inaliable right to life. Stealing from the poor is a vile crime. You have taken the means of survival from someone who struggles to survive. Stalking is a vile crime. You’ve interceded on someone’s inaliable right to privacy and safety.
How does downloading a cracked video game or a TV show impact others? Who is being victimized, and how are they being victimized? Say, for instance, that today I download a game for free. What tangible impact does this have on others?
So if our ‘victim’ is a multi billion dollar corporation that is one of the fastest growing game companies in the world and is quickly approaching income levels rivaling some small nations, the tangible impact that me downloading their game for free has is literally none. There is no impact. They will never even know that I did it, and I do not consider the “right to commerce” as a fundamental human right. I do not think that me taking potential profits from billionaire investors is in any way interceding on their human rights and also do not believe that the action causes any harm to them.
So if you become incredibly successful for what you created there becomes a point where it’s moral for you to lose all rights and control over your art?
Corporations are not people. The designers artists and programmers at Nintendo do not direcy profit from game sales. They are paid a salary by their company. Again, it’s relative. There is no such thing as a moral absolute, we have to consider the context in which actions happen and the effects those actions cause. Stealing from the poor is vile. Stealing from Walmart isn’t.
So then the moral of the lesson is that art is worthless and creating new things serves no useful purpose?
I do not consider the primary purpose of art to be profit for shareholders, if that’s what you consider “useful purpose”. Art is useful in that it communicates human emotions and experiences. It’s useful in that it delights us, it inspires us, and we take great enjoyment in it. Even if all art was free, this would still be true. Free games are fun. Free books are worth reading. Free music is worth listening to. Paintings don’t lose value because I can see them without paying. Your view of art and your view of capital are so intertwined that you are ignorant of the reality that art is not capital.
Almost like the game companies learned that same lesson from people like you and just started making shittier games to accomodate their shittier fans.
Every single corporation on Earth will cut as many corners as possible to generate the maximum possible revenue for the minimal possible cost. Shitty games still sell exceedingly well. They have a profit incentive to invest as little money into their games as possible. Games as products are less enjoyable than games as art. We love games whose creators felt passion in creating them. We love games whose designers believed in what they were making, and felt connected to their product. Faceless corporations lose this entirely. Games are how Nintendo makes money. Therefore, even if no one wants to make this game, it must be made. For Nintendo must turn profit. This is part of the reason some games are amazing experiences and others are clear, transparent cash grabs.
First, I want to tell you how much I genuinely appreciate your care and effort in replying to my comment. You paid it more respect than it deserved, a fact I acknowledge in hindsight. Second, I admit my bias in this matter. I, like many children of a certain era have a strong emotional attachment to Nintendo as a brand. Through highly effective propaganda coupled with, what I will admit for myself was, some of the only joy I experienced growing up a poor child of color in the rust belt of the U.S. Nintendo, Sugar Cereal, and Saturday Morning Cartoons were on the same level as Thanksgiving, American Football, and Church on Sunday. They were our politics, our religion. Third, I believe were we afforded the luxury of better conditions of conversation we would find we have many beliefs and values in common. I too believe stealing from Walmart is no real crime. I concede your arguments are sound. My observations and stated opinions were influenced more by emotion than logic. Again I appreciate you taking the time to share your opinions. That is something that takes more courage to achieve day by day.
Is that a copypasta
Yep, straight from the script the George soros space laser society of America gave me. Can’t wait til my $20 check clears so I can buy a new keffiyeh.
Tbh, is it really pirating if I bought the game and wanted to play it on a different unofficial platform?
I understand the main thing was Yuzu was apparently offering builds that work with unreleased games (which how tf does that work) via Patreon, but if the game’s been released and I bought it, I don’t see why I shouldn’t be able to download a ROM or even dump my own and play it on an emulator that offers better performance.
The formal answer - it is against the law and the terms and conditions of their released software. The moral answer - no problem.
I understand the main thing was Yuzu was apparently offering builds that work with unreleased games (which how tf does that work)
Leaks and breaking release date is how it works.
Yeah, fighting open source emulators is kind of like fighting a hydra. People will fork the project and one of those will probably emerge as the alternative to Ryujinx. At the same time Nintendo did manage to get an entire team of developers to exit the Switch emulation scene under penalty of breaching the settlement. It’s not going to kill Switch emulation, but they did manage to take down one of the most popular ones.