I don’t think people on this sub use it, but it’s great news for us. The worse it gets the likelier people move on.
- Certainly_No_Brit ( @Certainly_No_Brit@discuss.tchncs.de ) 109•6 months ago
Looks like Discord will do a Reddit in the near future.
I recommend switching to Matrix.
- Sabata11792 ( @Sabata11792@kbin.social ) 21•6 months ago
With how much they been cash grabbing, I’m not surprised.
If only I could convince 30 people I barely know to switch platforms.
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 7•6 months ago
Same. Matrix works like a charm.
- shortwavesurfer ( @shortwavesurfer@monero.town ) English15•6 months ago
Don’t get me wrong, I love matrix, but works like a charm is not how I would describe that. Element Just seems to make everything harder because you have to keep track of your session keys. That way if you have a new device and can’t use the previous device you don’t get locked out And then to top it off you have the export and import of end to end encrypted room keys which even for somebody like myself who is technical enough to manage it has managed to screw it up almost every time. I find something like session or SimpleX easier because you’re not having to manage keys like that. SimpleX has an actual database file export instead of key management and you need only remember the decryption key. Session of course uses session IDs with a neumonic seed phrase like crypto
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 4•6 months ago
Interesting concept! Element isnt my favorite client either but it has nothing to do with running or using matrix. Its like using an iphone and saying calling someone is very expensive.
The keys situation needs work though.
- shortwavesurfer ( @shortwavesurfer@monero.town ) English1•6 months ago
I havent found another client that really improves the situation though.
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 7•6 months ago
I use fluffychat daily and it works well. The issue atm is that frequently changing devices, leaving and joining a lot of rooms can disrupt the experience. If you talk mostly on the same devices and in the same rooms there is no issue as far as I can tell.
As all FOSS software it needs work and people who want to put in that work. I wont help with element and synapse since the element folks want contributors to sign away their rights which I‘m not okay with.
- shortwavesurfer ( @shortwavesurfer@monero.town ) English2•6 months ago
Oh, I don’t blame you for that. I just feel like Matrix in general is rather complicated for normal people. I like simple x a lot because all the keys are just in a database and the database is encrypted instead of having to remember the keys and session obviously only needs the mnemonic seed for restoration. Like, I can manage a cryptocurrency wallet absolutely fine, but there are a number of different times that I have lost access to encrypted chats on Matrix due to not getting the key situation right.
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 1•6 months ago
Yeah, a lot of apps have interesting functions. Since matrix already has a lot of users and is somewhat integrated with the other services I‘ll stay with it.
- krolden ( @krolden@lemmy.ml ) 4•6 months ago
You can just restore with your recovery key
- shortwavesurfer ( @shortwavesurfer@monero.town ) English1•6 months ago
If the server holds your room keys encrypted by your restore key, sure. But thats still a 3rd party holding your keys.
- krolden ( @krolden@lemmy.ml ) 3•6 months ago
Not if you run your own instance 😁
- shortwavesurfer ( @shortwavesurfer@monero.town ) English1•6 months ago
True
- CheesyFox ( @CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org ) 7•6 months ago
I will gladly leave this shithole called discord, as soon as matrix start to support screen sharing
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 7•6 months ago
I actually havent tried if screensharing works but jitsi seems to work very well in there. Even the german government uses it so I suppose it might be able to do that.
- shortwavesurfer ( @shortwavesurfer@monero.town ) English3•6 months ago
I know for a fact you can screen share in jitsi as I have seen it done.
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 2•6 months ago
In that case it should be no problem in matrix, assuming it uses a full version of jitsi.
- EndlessNightmare ( @EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ) 2•6 months ago
I frequently use Jitsi w/screensharing. Been using it for quite a while this way with good results.
- LWD ( @LWD@lemm.ee ) 1•6 months ago
There’s a huge difference between streaming games and streaming PowerPoint slideshows
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 1•6 months ago
Obviously, yes. Whats your point?
- LWD ( @LWD@lemm.ee ) 1•6 months ago
Telling Discord users to switch to Matrix because “it works like a charm” is incorrect, considering how Discord is used.
“It’s tolerable if you can put up with the low bit rate and high latency” is more accurate.
- mamotromico ( @mamotromico@lemmy.ml ) 7•6 months ago
I’m constantly looking for something that could replace discord for me, I need something like the discord screen/game streaming to consider changing apps.
- joelfromaus ( @joelfromaus@aussie.zone ) English2•6 months ago
I need something like the discord screen/gama streaming to consider changing apps.
I second this. It’s one of our most used features. Whether it’s streaming for team mates or for spectators there’s almost always 1 to 2 people streaming/watching.
- unalivejoy ( @joyjoy@lemm.ee ) English4•6 months ago
- Jo Miran ( @JoMiran@lemmy.ml ) 74•6 months ago
Looking at all those companies that moved their support to Discord.
- wise_pancake ( @wise_pancake@lemmy.ca ) 8•6 months ago
But I thought we cold have free support in realtime with security updates for free forever?
- CMDR_Horn ( @CMDR_Horn@lemmy.ml ) 6•6 months ago
It would’ve been very smart of them to have this ad change only affect business ownedchannels, and then open up a fee option for businesses to no longer have ads on their channel
- Ilandar ( @Ilandar@aussie.zone ) 54•6 months ago
People aren’t going to move on. Some of you really live in a bubble when it comes to this stuff. Users complained about ads on Facebook, reddit, Twitter, YouTube and everything else and no matter how many times you guys declare those services dead the reality is that they are still the default for most. Even in the unlikely scenario that a large amount of users do permanently leave, they won’t migrate to the privacy respecting service you want them to.
- gapbetweenus ( @gapbetweenus@feddit.de ) 24•6 months ago
Some are and some aren’t. Like a lot of folks on here are here because reddit went to shit.
- Ilandar ( @Ilandar@aussie.zone ) 12•6 months ago
A minority are, yes. reddit is still massive and continuing to grow while Lemmy participation has fallen off noticeably and continues to decline.
- OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 3•6 months ago
Stats aside, I can’t help but laugh anytime people suggest Lemmy is dying off or failing. Aussie.zone didn’t used to exist, and Lemmy.ml used to have like… one post a day? And it would be some tankie nonsense like “I’m a Russian living in Ukraine - Russia isn’t going to invade Ukraine, it’s all Western propaganda”
- Ilandar ( @Ilandar@aussie.zone ) 1•6 months ago
I’m quite obviously comparing it to the height of the reddit migration, since that is the topic of the thread. MAUs peaked months ago and are trending down now.
- The 8232 Project ( @Charger8232@lemmy.ml ) 44•6 months ago
(Last I checked) From this spreadsheet, Discord is the fourth worst messaging platform in terms of privacy. Now a new row for “Has ads” will have to be added…
- sparky1337 ( @sparky1337@ttrpg.network ) 11•6 months ago
According to my iPhones privacy viewer it’s almost worse than Facebook.
- guts ( @guts@lemmy.ml ) 35•6 months ago
Discord can do shit like this because they know many won’t ever try to use an alternative. You need more than just “open source” “privacy” or “FOSS” to convince people.
- bionicjoey ( @bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ) 20•6 months ago
To be fair, there was a time before Discord. People once used MSN, Skype, Teamspeak, IRC, etc.
They shouldn’t get too comfortable with the idea that people won’t just up and leave.
- nix ( @nix@midwest.social ) English5•6 months ago
Discord has real advantages over many of those, and communities are slow to pick up and move. It’ll take either a very bad decision from discord or a good competitor. I want that competitor to be Matrix, but it’s far from perfect.
- laurelraven ( @laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 2•6 months ago
Well, adding ads could easily be that very bad decision, if anything can position itself as an attractive alternative fast enough
- PersnickityPenguin ( @PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee ) 4•6 months ago
Steam supports direct voice chat. My friends use it for gaming.
Also, teamspeak.
- Queen HawlSera ( @HawlSera@lemm.ee ) English2•6 months ago
Steam doesn’t let me make my own survers with categorized groups and stuff
- melpomenesclevage ( @melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ) 0•6 months ago
More, you need to convince the that this shit being inevitable is why you need FOSS.
- iegod ( @iegod@lemm.ee ) 2•6 months ago
Ads are not enough reason to stop using it for the majority. You need to offer more than just ad-free. You need to offer the same or better adoption, features, and overall user experience. Discord has these all nailed.
- melpomenesclevage ( @melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ) 0•6 months ago
Discord has literally like one feature matrix doesn’t; stickers. And it kinda has those. Stop talking shit and try it out with some friends. This is so much more important than just chat, and the hour is getting late as fuck.
The big thing is the network effect. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
- iegod ( @iegod@lemm.ee ) 1•6 months ago
I’m not leaving my communities for yet another app. When they migrate I will too.
- melpomenesclevage ( @melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ) 0•6 months ago
Dude. You can install multiple apps on your phone. I’m pretty sure.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English35•6 months ago
Ads are the least of your worries on Discord
- 0xtero ( @0xtero@beehaw.org ) 25•6 months ago
And thus begins the enshittification of Discord
- Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼 ( @Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 10•6 months ago
It has always sucked. From the beginning it was privacy-invasive, had no real business model, has had crappy Electron apps and has been proprietary.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English7•6 months ago
More like half way down the road
- Sir_Kevin ( @Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English21•6 months ago
Good. Maybe people will finally move on to something else.
- RiQuY ( @RiQuY@lemm.ee ) 19•6 months ago
Time to move to Matrix then, and I’m not even joking. Ads are Aids.
- airikr ( @airikr@lemmy.ml ) 6•6 months ago
Why not Mumble and IRC or XMPP?
- Bezier ( @Bezier@suppo.fi ) 15•6 months ago
Is this april fools or for real
- Moonrise2473 ( @Moonrise2473@lemmy.ml ) 12•6 months ago
Resisting? It was a clear strategy: use VC money to give away something for free then charge/monetize to give back those investors all the money, with interests
- Mikina ( @Mikina@programming.dev ) 10•6 months ago
If you don’t use Discord for voice much, Matrix has a pretty solid bridges you can use.
Hosting your own Matrix server is suprisingly way easier than I though - got a VM on hertzner for like 5$ a month, and there is an Ansible script that takes care of the setup for you. It’s also one of those rare cases where someone made an Ansible script that actually works, instead of you getting stuck in dependency-hell (seriously, fuck npm. Not a single docker or ansible tool that has used it ever worked for me out of the box. Python can get simillarly annoying).
They have a pretty easy to follow guide, and the whole setup took me like 20 minutes. I only edited a few options in config.yml (mostly to add Messenger and Discord bridge), and ran the ansible, and it worked at first try.
So I could at least ditch both messenger and discord apps from my PC and phone, without having to convince anyone to quit their poison - with only issue being that you can’t use Discord voice. And that the messenger bridge is still unreliable sometimes, but those are still minor inconviniences in comparison to my deep-seated hate for Meta.
Of course - Meta still gets my chat data and content, same as Discord. But at least they don’t get anything else from my phone or PC.
- GlenTheFrog ( @GlenTheFrog@lemmy.ml ) 6•6 months ago
Matrix bridges are nice until you realize that you have to be a mod in the server to add the bridge, you need to do it not only for every Discord server you want to use on matrix, but every channel as well. It’s a huge chore. And ofc it doesn’t work with Discord DMs.
Not blaming Matrix or the matrix bridge developers here because it’s not their fault. But let’s be honest: matrix bridges are a pain to set up for Discord and for a majority of people aren’t worth the hassle. Moving to Matrix would be the better choice if at all possible
- Mikina ( @Mikina@programming.dev ) 4•6 months ago
you need to do it not only for every Discord server you want to use on matrix, but every channel as well. It’s a huge chore. And ofc it doesn’t work with Discord DMs.
This wasn’t my experience at all - all I had to do was message the Matrix bot with servers I want to join (I’m not a mod on any of them), and it bridged all channels in that server. Also, Discord DMs are working fine.
I’m using the mautrix bridge, which doesn’t use a bot or anything like that, but uses your Discord session instead.
- ninchuka ( @ninchuka@lemmy.one ) 1•6 months ago
you can do a puppet bridge for your discord account so it bridges all the guilds your in to matrix without needing discord guild admins to add the bridge to it
- rizoid ( @rizoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 10•6 months ago
I truly don’t have a problem with ads being in a free service. My anger will be based on how annoying they are when they roll out.
- snooggums ( @snooggums@midwest.social ) English17•6 months ago
The ads will become increasingly annoying snd intrusive over time based on every other website and app that has gone from free to supported by ads.
Even if they aren’t too bad at first, they will get worse. Just like the nitro ads that are already in discord.
- Uranium3006 ( @Uranium3006@kbin.social ) 9•6 months ago
The problem is that no o.e will just serve a static PNG banner ad anymore. Ads these days inherently come with all the BS that makes blocking them mandatory
- underisk ( @underisk@lemmy.ml ) 7•6 months ago
people do pay for discord though. that was the entire justification for Nitro and Server Boosts. they made $440 million in revenue in 2022. they aren’t publicly traded so there’s no way to compare that with expenses, but i’d be pretty surprised if they weren’t turning a significant profit.
- CapitanStrider ( @CapitanStrider@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 9•6 months ago
Goddamn I wish it wasn’t so hard to convince friends that discord sucks. I’d rather just send SMS than use discord to communicate with my social circle.
- OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 10•6 months ago
SMS? You mean the paid, vendor lock-in, MITMable traffic? Possibly one of the only options that is actually worse than Discord
- The Bard in Green ( @thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz ) 5•6 months ago
I don’t always force my friends to use Discord alternatives, but when I do I force them to use Signal.
- Microplasticbrain ( @Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee ) 3•6 months ago
Took fucking years but i dragged them to signal kicking and screaming, people are such little bitches
- ExtraordinaryJoe ( @ExtraordinaryJoe@reddthat.com ) 6•6 months ago
I only use it to play games with 4 other people regularly and another 2-3 people sporadically. When it becomes a pain to use, well move on just like we did with AOL Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, Team Speak, and however many others we’ve used in the past. Something else will come along. It works great for now, but we aren’t loyal to it. We’re loyal to playing online with each other. I would honestly pay $5 a month for a decent program, should no free one be available, but I’m already cutting out multiple streaming services, satellite radio, and all sorts of other shit because commercials are too annoying.