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- KillingTimeItself ( @KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English1•3 minutes ago
ok so technically, this wouldn’t be the US regime, this wouldn’t even be a regime at all judging by modern contemporary definitions.
The dude was executed under state law. In the united states.
Can we stop referring to the US like this? I get that we have problems but jesus christ it feels loaded calling us a “regime” we’re not all that oppressive, and we’re not all that anti-democratic. Calling it a regime probably makes it more of a regime than it is by itself.
we could’ve had a productive discussion on the problems with capital punishment, but nope. here we are, not even talking about it at all (aside from the comment threads)
- rbesfe ( @rbesfe@lemmy.ca ) 3•2 hours ago
He wasn’t executed by federal order, it was a state AG being a total murder-hungry dick head. Calling it “the US regime” is some tankie bullshit
- Philo ( @philo@lemmy.ca ) 2•4 hours ago
The last thing I will say on this topic is that the US is divided on abortion rights. Only 14 states have total abortion bans since Roe vs Wade was overturned and I doubt anyone here would be foolish enough to claim that those states speak for the entire population of the US. Yet when it comes to the execution by the state of Missouri of a black man, suddenly, that lone state speaks for an entire population of 330 million people.
- menemen ( @menemen@lemmy.ml ) 24•14 hours ago
Reading about it I am not completly convinced that he is innocent, but I think that there is 100% plausible reason to doubt that he is guilty. This should defintly be enough to stop an execution.
Edit: Maybe read the whole statement before getting a rage fit? I said he shouldn’t have been killed. I am also not moderate and (according to US standards) I am apparently not white as a muslim turkish person.
- Backlog3231 ( @Backlog3231@reddthat.com ) English8•21 hours ago
It doesn’t matter if he did it or not, honestly. If the state can’t be 10000% certain the person they are about to murder is guilty of a heinous crime then it shouldn’t be possible to fucking murder them.
This isnt about innocence. This is about the state denying this Black Muslim man due process and constitutional protections.
And on that note, its impossible to prove guilt in these cases, which is why the death penalty needs to be abolished. Are you comfortable with the idea of bring executed for a crime because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Because I’m sure fucking not.
- menemen ( @menemen@lemmy.ml ) 2•9 hours ago
Maybe you should have read my whole statement before writing this wall of text?
- The Cuuuuube ( @Cube6392@beehaw.org ) English1•4 hours ago
they’re agreeing with you and taking it further, i’m pretty sure
- yeahiknow3 ( @yeahiknow3@lemmings.world ) 1•1 day ago
Yeah, the chance that he is innocent is almost zero. However, the guy is also undeniably a psychopath.
Call me radical, but I don’t think any government should be killing people.
- selokichtli ( @selokichtli@lemmy.ml ) 14•1 day ago
There are a lot of governments in the world that agree with you. Not the US government, not at all.
- yeahiknow3 ( @yeahiknow3@lemmings.world ) 1•1 day ago
End all wars with this one simple trick.
- Christian ( @christian@lemmy.ml ) English10•1 day ago
This kind of thing makes me go into denial. I hate my country, but this absolutely cannot be real. It’s horrible clickbait, or propaganda supporting my existing beliefs about how inhumane it is here.
I struggle to imagine someone administering a needle for an innocent man to die, rather than quitting on the spot. I struggle to imagine someone certifying paperwork to appove this to happen. But I am entirely incapable of imagining the number of human cogs that would need to be similarly compliant for this to be followed through to completion. I am not interested in trying to imagine. This story is fiction because admitting otherwise will break what’s left of my sanity.
You can show me horrors and get me to admit and speak of them as reality, but you can’t get me to believe them.
A stunning number of people in the links of that chain could’ve stopped it, and none of them cared to risk their employment over it.
I’ve seen it said that if you live in the US, you can ask yourself a question: “If you lived in Nazi Germany, what would you have done to oppose that state?”
The answer: You’re doing it right now. Nazi Germany’s leaders explicitly stated that its model of colonialism and expansionism in eastern europe, eugenics practices, and its racial state, were all based on the US model, which nearly successfully carried out everything Nazi Germany failed to do: eviction and genocide of its indigenous inhabitants, stealing a continent, and erecting a white-supremacist state on top of it.
- NauticalNoodle ( @NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml ) 9•1 day ago
The Innocence project is real and they do incredible work. They rarely take cases that don’t have new DNA evidence due to the difficulty in overturning a conviction. They could probably use your financial support.
–The site which we don’t speak of had a mainstream news article to this story monday night explaining that the state was already refusing to grant a stay of execution even with prosecuting attornies new doubts.
- Ioughttamow ( @Ioughttamow@fedia.io ) 8•1 day ago
This is not justice
- تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 5•1 day ago
The US government is horrible to people living within it and outside of it
- Philo ( @philo@lemmy.ca ) 4•1 day ago
Missouri speaks for the entire US now?
- queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 13•1 day ago
The US can be judged by the actions of any single state. It’s all the same country 🙄
- Philo ( @philo@lemmy.ca ) 1•1 day ago
Like a book can be judged by its cover cause its all the same book?
- jonwyattphillips ( @jonwyattphillips@lemmy.ml ) 15•1 day ago
Like a book can be judged by one of it’s 50 chapters.
- Philo ( @philo@lemmy.ca ) 4•1 day ago
You haven’t read much because that is an extremely stupid analogy.
- AntiOutsideAktion ( @AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml ) English9•1 day ago
Do you need someone to explain how stupid this is, or have you calmed down since you reacted?
- تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 5•1 day ago
SCOTUS does
- Philo ( @philo@lemmy.ca ) 2•1 day ago
Actually SCOTUS speaks for Trump since he was the POS that installed them.
- تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 1•5 hours ago
The people are responsible for who they elect and the actions they take. So millions of people in the US are to blame for this even if they aren’t a majority thanks to how elections work in the US since Clinton won the popular vote.
- Philo ( @philo@lemmy.ca ) 1•5 hours ago
Clinton was well over 30 years ago. Please join us in the present.
- تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 2•5 hours ago
I was talking about 2016.
- Philo ( @philo@lemmy.ca ) 1•4 hours ago
Still, almost 10 years ago.
- تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 1•4 hours ago
SCOTUS appointments are for life. The 70 million or so who voted for him will be responsible even after their death of many of them.
- The Cuuuuube ( @Cube6392@beehaw.org ) English3•1 day ago
Missouri isn’t so different from everywhere else
- Philo ( @philo@lemmy.ca ) 2•1 day ago
Where are you from?
- The Cuuuuube ( @Cube6392@beehaw.org ) English4•1 day ago
I’ve spent a lifetime traveling the united states. i originate from Appalachia. bad and racist judgements come all across the country. any state with the death penalty on the books will eventually do this, and any state that doesn’t have the death penalty on the books has around 30% of people minimum who think it should be. you’re deluding yourself if you don’t think everywhere is like everywhere else just with different ratios of who is around
- Philo ( @philo@lemmy.ca ) 2•1 day ago
This would also mean California is like Alabama which is like New York which going even farther because borders are man-made, exactly like London which is exactly like Israel, Gaza, Yemen…see how your argument is stupid or do I need to go on?
- The Cuuuuube ( @Cube6392@beehaw.org ) English1•1 day ago
no actually. i don’t see how my view that people are all people and the things we do is all in response to the context we grow up in is stupid. so please keep listing places that we have both the potential to improve or to degrade into depending on what actions we take and if we can learn to empathize