- Lad ( @AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com ) 5•25 minutes ago
Fidel Castro and Che Guevara were ridiculously handsome dudes
- Eiri ( @Eiri@lemmy.ca ) 22•8 hours ago
The US has two parties: center-right and far right.
- OldWoodFrame ( @OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee ) 7•7 hours ago
(This is a lie internet lefties tell each other)
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 18•7 hours ago
What’s the lie?
- OldWoodFrame ( @OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee ) 2•6 hours ago
That Democrats would be considered right-of-center in other countries. They’re clearly a center-left party.
- eldavi ( @eldavi@lemmy.ml ) 11•3 hours ago
They’re clearly a center-left party.
by what measure?
- OldWoodFrame ( @OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee ) 1•3 hours ago
Seeking social justice through redistributive social and economic policies of government.
- eldavi ( @eldavi@lemmy.ml ) 8•2 hours ago
the extent and effort at which they create and enforce those policies is the measure of left or right in this country; not the existence of those policies because both republican and democrats say that they want those things; but when you investigate beyond the lip service you find that conservatives will give token-at-best support for the policies while leftists will support it with full vigor.
the democrats very tepid support for these things is what makes them center-right; because the party that calls itself conservative takes pride in doing this, while most democrats do it too and hope you don’t notice.
democrats only push for re-distributive policies (if at all) once it becomes popular and they’re forced to respond; not because democrats are progressive. see biden’s decades long anti-gay crusade that suddenly stopped once he needed the votes and his expansion upon trumps draconian anti-immigration policies; or clinton’s establishment of anti-gay service and anti-gay marriage; and then see kamala backtrack on liberal positions like pre-k; community college, childcare, medicare expansion, etc. only the democrats very weakly seek social or economic policies of government and; for the most part; behave like republicans when it’s time to put their money where their mouth is; that’s why they’re center-right
it sounds like you’re judging these books by their cover without reading any of the material. we’re on social media so it’s par for the course; but your takes are going to be divorced from reality if you don’t bother to go further than shallow understanding.
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 14•6 hours ago
Center-left? In what way? They are genocidal imperialists, they aren’t anticapitalist in any form.
- OldWoodFrame ( @OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee ) 2•5 hours ago
They want to use the power of government to reduce the harms of capitalism, via minimum wages, social safety nets, child tax credit, subsidizing more environmentally friendly energy production and electric cars.
No they are not as far left as you and the people you talk to online, I didn’t say that. You are allowed to want different policies. You’re just incorrect to call them right wing.
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 13•5 hours ago
They want to use the power of government to reduce the harms of capitalism, via minimum wages, social safety nets, child tax credit, subsidizing more environmentally friendly energy production and electric cars.
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No they don’t, lol
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That isn’t “center-left,” that’s center-right.
No they are not as far left as you and the people you talk to online, I didn’t say that. You are allowed to want different policies. You’re just incorrect to call them right wing.
Leftism starts at anti-Capitalism.
- OldWoodFrame ( @OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee ) 1•5 hours ago
Ok I don’t expect you to see it but this is exactly why I said it’s a lie that online lefties tell themselves. Globally, in real life politics, yes you absolutely can be center-left without demanding the overthrow of Capitalism.
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- Fickle_Ferret ( @Fickle_Ferret@lemmy.ml ) English28•12 hours ago
The Left begins with anti-capitalism. If you aren’t against capitalism, you aren’t left.
- nondescripthandle ( @nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 18•10 hours ago
Libs are seething at this absolute correct take. If you’re pro free market, you’re a liberal and thats as ‘left’ as you’ll ever be.
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 13•9 hours ago
Libs are seething, period.
- DaTingGoBrrr ( @DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml ) 28•12 hours ago
I don’t understand how the Democrats in USA can be considered left-wing. Sure, they are more left than the Republicans, but in my eyes they certainly not left-wing.
- daltotron ( @daltotron@lemmy.ml ) 3•1 hour ago
basically, the US is a one party system, but it has two parties
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 17•12 hours ago
You said it yourself, they are less far-right than Republicans, so Liberals get to pretend they are punks and rebels despite supporting the status quo.
- reallykindasorta ( @reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net ) 23•18 hours ago
Won’t even draw a hard line at genocide
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 15•12 hours ago
It sucks. Liberals will be blaming Arab Americans going to Jill Stein if Harris loses, rather than Harris and Biden, just you wait.
- Nougat ( @Nougat@fedia.io ) 44•20 hours ago
Turns out, if you’re further left than either realistic candidate (because FPTP), it makes it really easy to figure out who you should vote for. “I wonder if I should vote for the person who’s not left enough for my liking, or the one is so far beyond that as to be the diametric opposite of left. Whatever shall I do?”
- lengau ( @lengau@midwest.social ) 9•8 hours ago
Yeah, the “you’re voting for genocide” argument is also ridiculous, as the choices essentially boil down to:
🔲 One genocide (with a potential of partial mitigation)
🔲 2+ genocides (and the one being even worse)
🔲 Don’t care (in green)
🔲 Don’t care (in yellow)etc.
Genocide is bad. That should not be a controversial statement. I will use my vote to choose the least genocide that it has the power to choose, and I will use my other energy to advocate for less (and hopefully zero) genocide.
You don’t have to like that fact. I certainly don’t like it. But this is exactly what harm reduction looks like.
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 11•7 hours ago
This is just a monstrous reframing of a bipartisan genocide. Voting dem or voting rep is a vote for genocide, full stop, because they support the same genocide to the same magnitude, materially. Pretending Dems are better because genocide makes some of their voterbase sad is wrong.
I will use my vote to choose the least genocide that it has the power to choose
Then vote Greens or PSL.
- lengau ( @lengau@midwest.social ) 8•6 hours ago
Then vote Greens or PSL.
Sorry, I’m not going to vote “don’t care” on genocide no matter how many faux leftists pretend it’s the morally superior option.
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 10•6 hours ago
It’s morally superior to vote for genocide but pretend your flavor of genocide isn’t the exact same as the other flavor of genocide.
- lengau ( @lengau@midwest.social ) 6•5 hours ago
Look, if you don’t care about LGBT folks, women who need abortions, asylum seekers, etc. you can pull that “don’t care” lever. But “I care about making a symbolic, but ultimately toothless, gesture about Palestine more than I care about the lives of thousands, possibly millions of others” is what voting third-party is telling the system right now. If that makes you feel morally superior, we’re at an impasse because I don’t know how to explain to someone that an action to save lives is more powerful than an unrealistic gesture about saving even more lives, but which will realistically increase the amount of death and suffering.
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 6•5 hours ago
Is there a red line for you in the sand, or would you vote for Hitler if 101% Hitler was running? When do you abandon hope in the Democrats, if being genocidal Imperialists doing nothing to help marginalized groups, and are running to the right of Trump in 2016 with respect to immigration, doesn’t?
- lengau ( @lengau@midwest.social ) 6•5 hours ago
That’s a non-sequitur, because that’s not what’s happening by any means. But thanks for ceding the point that you’re okay feeling morally superior by doing something that’ll get more people killed.
- unwarlikeExtortion ( @unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml ) 15•14 hours ago
Well, the electoral college isn’t actually FPTP, it’s even worse than that.
- Nougat ( @Nougat@fedia.io ) 5•11 hours ago
You’re not wrong. I was keeping it simple.
- basmati ( @basmati@lemmus.org ) English15•19 hours ago
Both candidates fall under the latter category. An AG that was a prosecutor with a history of perpetuating the war on drugs and arguing in court innocent men should stay imprisoned because prison labor is good for the economy, who was also vice president to one of the most right wing men ever elected?
That’s literally the state half of the fascist alignment of corporate and state power.
- EABOD25 ( @EABOD25@lemm.ee ) English19•21 hours ago
Radicalization vs. sensibility
- kittenzrulz123 ( @kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 2•4 hours ago
Ah yes, genocide and imperialism are just international peace and order :3
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 12•12 hours ago
“Sensibility” is maintaining a dying genocidal Empire?
- milicent_bystandr ( @milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee ) 11•19 hours ago
I mean, she is prettier than Marx. Which one did you want to date?
- Match!! ( @match@pawb.social ) English2•2 hours ago
sankara and luxembourg are both 10/10s
- Binette ( @Binette@lemmy.ml ) 14•13 hours ago
I’m sorry but like, look at his beard. I’d date Marx
- milicent_bystandr ( @milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee ) 5•11 hours ago
That is a pretty good reason.
- aiden ( @aiden@lemm.ee ) 12•21 hours ago
Get your nasty political memes out of here
- Xatolos ( @Xatolos@reddthat.com ) 8•13 hours ago
He’s a troll account. You should see him over in https://lemmy.ml/c/comics just removing and banning anyone who even questions him. A sad little child.
- davel [he/him] ( @davel@lemmy.ml ) English21•19 hours ago
- Splashy5928 ( @Splashy5928@lemmus.org ) English9•17 hours ago
- Cowbee [he/him] ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 10•12 hours ago
Lemmy.world is anti-Marxist, including the moderators, so posting leftist memes there is a no-go.
- davel [he/him] ( @davel@lemmy.ml ) English12•17 hours ago
That’s the old passage to lemmy.world. We don’t go there anymore.