TL;DR: Competitors in integrating with Atlassian are not allowed to incorporate code after the change because they used it in free add-ons, which caused the official integration (a paid add-on that is the sole source of funding) to be labeled a scam by a review in late August.
Plus, the thing was never really open source anyway:
draw.io is also closed to contributions, as it’s not open source. We follow a development process compliant with our SOC 2 Type II process. We do not have a mechanism where we can accept contributions from non-staff members.
Just wondering, if a project switch to close source from open source, all the donation to the stage when it’s open source will be sent back to the donor or counted as shares?
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I really don’t understand the difference between free software and open source at tis point. It would make sense to me if this would make it nonfree, but I don’t understand why is it not open source anymore. Isn’t the open source definition a broader one than that of free software?
Open Source Software follows the Open Source Definition, while Free Software follows the Free Software Definition.
They have heavy overlap, one is not a subset of the other, and they are similarly restrictive, just shepherded by different groups. I’m sure there are licences that satisfy one but not the other, but they would have to be few and far between; just reading through each it’s not obvious how one could satisfy only one definition.
Short and not completely true answer: Free Software and Open Source are the same thing, just with different reasoning behind them. Hence “FOSS” and “FLOSS” are also used, which combine both terms.
If I give you a free beer, you have one beer. If I give you the recipe, you can make your own beer. You do have to make your own open source beer or you can hire someone to do it for you or perhaps take you through the steps a few times until you’ve got it. With luck there will be a community of open source beer brewers with whom you can interact and improve those recipes.
Free software is free until it isn’t! The illicit drugs industry works in a similar way (the first hit is for free).
Never read something more wrong about the subject. I sounds like you don’t actually know what Free Software refers to, and that it has nothing to do with the price.
Yeah the free beer thing is what I use to explain what the “free” doesn’t mean. “Free as in freedom. Not free as in free beer.”
@ReversalHatchery @velox_vulnus
It violates “freedom 0” of the Free Software Definition too, so no difference there. This limitation on use makes is non-open-source AND non-free-software. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#fs-definition
It’s clear that it’s not free software, because as the name suggests, that’s about freedoms.
What is not really clear is that it’s not open source. To me at least it means that the source is public, you can change it, use it, send in patches, etc, but possibly with some limitations.
@ReversalHatchery ok but are you willing to learn what “open source” really means? Because it has a definition and it’s not that difficult to understand. You could even go on wikipedia and find the history of how the term “open-source” was created (hint, it’s the same as free software, only trying to avoid the “free as beer” problem)
I don’t see a CLA so this is somewhat surprising that all ~30 contributors would be okay moving away from open source.
Unless this was a unilateral decision
Apache is a permissive license, plus:
draw.io is also closed to contributions, as it’s not open source. We follow a development process compliant with our SOC 2 Type II process. We do not have a mechanism where we can accept contributions from non-staff members.
This was added wayyyy before. OP is making this much more of a deal than it actually is.
@Aatube I don’t see how OP is making it a big deal. That post is merely stating facts, as confirmed by the company representative in the GitHub discussion. Yes, the project was never “open-source-like governed”, but it was technically open-source software. With the additional restriction in the license it’s not anymore. All pretty theorical, but nevertheless true.
“No longer open source” is factually true. However, it gives the impression that they did something much more drastic. It would be much better to just get to the point with something like “draw.io forbids competitors for Atlassian integration from using their code”.
Up until a year ago, the README explicitly said they didn’t claim to be an open source project: https://github.com/jgraph/drawio/commit/8906f90ac0cc50a0c6da77c28cf9b2b2339277b1#diff-b335630551682c19a781afebcf4d07bf978fb1f8ac04c6bf87428ed5106870f5L10
Appreciate it, i wasn’t familiar with the project and didn’t see that!
Whatever, I’m using it regardless of what shitty commercial alternatives tried to be shoved down my throat. If Draw.io goes shit I’ll just switch to ditaa
Thanks for the note on Ditaa. I didn’t know it existed but I love the idea of rendering bitmaps from ASCII, especially on the web. It’s like Mermaid but the original syntax is a diagram in and of itself!
Like the author writes:
There is a number of formats that are text-based (html, docbook, LaTeX, programming language comments), but when rendered by other software (browsers, interpreters, the javadoc tool etc), they can contain images as part of their content. If ditaa was intergrated with those tools (and I’m planning to do the javadoc bit myself soon), then you would have readable/editable diagrams within the text format itself, something that would make things much easier. ditaa syntax can currently be embedded to HTML.
It’s still open source. It’s just that development has ceased.
It’s not open source and development has not stopped.
Whatever is still going on after the proprietary fork doesn’t count. It is irrelevant, just some other payware that will enshittify as it is resold. The last canon version is the unburden foss version. For practical purpose the development ended there and it’s fine. It’s great it made it that far before dying. At least tgat version won’t backslide in functionality or won’t leverage it’s adoption to extract rent.
Oh, it will backslide. This won’t run on lastest Chrome in 10 years time.
Is that web software not html5 compliant ?
