- cross-posted to:
- privacy@programming.dev
- cross-posted to:
- privacy@programming.dev
This was bound to happen, and it’s ridiculous
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Why not just gouge out their eyeballs, it’s the only way to make sure!
Oh, what’s that, it’s not actually about the porn, it’s about getting everyone to self-submit personal info to your shitty databases? Ooh, ok, gotcha!
Edit: sorry about the non-sequitur, I’m losing my fucking mind…
It’s so weird. Just don’t give your kids unrestricted internet access if you’re concerned about any of this…
Just give them a flip-phone and a living-room computer.
Or, y’know… they could do some actual parenting and talk to their kids about this. Kids aren’t morons, they’re just inexperienced. They are actually capable of understanding, like, words and stuff as long as one offers enough context for them… Actually teach the kids to use the internet, help them develop some insights.
And if anyone’s panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain), then address those directly! Friggin’ nurture their critical thinking and empathy! Locking them up in the fucking basement isn’t gonna Protect Them From Evil™, it just ensures they’ll be maladapted and sociopathic once they manage to escape from fucking prison! (no pun intended)
Edit: I will say this forever and ever - it is the parents’ duty to adapt to the world in which their kids have to live, not to force their kids to adapt to a world their parents wish would apply!
No, simply don’t us the computer as nanny, educate your childs to the correct and safe use of the network. You can add, if you want, SwissCows as search engine, which is Familysafe by design, apart of private. Also possible to block NSFW sites on DNS level. But this isn’t the question here, it’s about some assholes in the Goverment which want absolute control over the information the people see in the web, apart to monitor their activity, even reading your mail (what Google already does).
You spelled ‘squirting’ wrong, I think 🫡
Good point, I do feel my brain liquefying and gushing out through my friggin’ ears when seeing what we’re doing to ourselves…
It feels like a return of the pornography/video games/rock music moral panic of the late 20th century. I wish these conservative idiots would just fuck off. We’ll do anything before we tackle things that are really affecting children. Like poverty and hunger, in one of the world’s richest countries. We’re a joke of a country, no wonder people keep making fun of us. We deserve it.
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It seems like a perpetual panic, sustained because it creates a lever of exploitation to control the gullible. Like you can read complaints about “oversexed youth” from time periods when pornography was totally banned and women were essentially chattel. And hey, Boomers didn’t have internet porn and they are fucked.
Are not the US citizen a joke, you can not blame people who were educated in ignorance by the Governments, more in the fear of God than in the lack of reasoning capacity in a pseudo-democracy. Living in abubble and helpless in shock, when they visit Europe, seeing what means living safe and protected, with rights they even didn’t know that they exist. This is only sad, we make fun of your crappy fascist system and the current pedo-nazi asshole of president, not the people which don’t know it better.
How about parents supervise their own kids them-fuckin’-selves?
Naturally is a problem of the parents and of nobody else, but the childrens are only an excuse of legislators to impose control, the only reason. If not the children than are crimes or terrorism to justify surveillance. More fascist an gov, more censorship, more biased information and less privacy is supported, it’s an axiom, the best citizen is an ignorant and submissive one. “First they banned childs from porn sites, than they banned anonym access to Wikipedia and VPN…” recipe how to cook a frog
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO02/20220407/114616/HHRG-117-GO02-20220407-SD018.pdf
Repeating history by the same assholes to kill the free and open internet and information.
How about tell the parents to pay attention to what their fucking kids are doing online instead of dragging the rest of us into it?
How about nobody else’a fucking children are anybody else’s fucking problem.
Fuck your stupid fucking kids.
Not literally of course. I’m not a republican.
I don’t think helicopter parenting is the solution.
Well they should just leave it be, but If they have to do something better that than invading everyone else’s privacy and ruining the internet.
What about the basics of a responsible parent?
…what about them?
You think basic parental duties is helicopter parenting?
Listen, can you just explain yourself instead of going back and forth and asking senseless questions?
I don’t believe monitoring your child’s online habits is “helicopter parenting.” It’s just being a responsible parent.
You are cursing at the scapegoats. Don’t fall into this trap.
They’re not scapegoats. It’s the parents responsibility to keep an eye on their kids. The scapegoats are the rest of us having to give up our privacy.
Maybe you should google what “scapegoat” means.
Scapegoat is the person being falsely blamed for a problem. Children looking at shit they shouldn’t be online is the parents fault for not supervising them or utilizing any of the numerous parental control options available to them.
In this case the rest us are being blamed for that problem by being forced to deal with a bunch of privacy invading bullshit to fix it.
ministers told
By a bunch of religious assholes that want more power
By a bunch of corporate assholes that want more money
By a bunch of politician assholes that want more power
Did I forget anyone? Nobody wants this, none of this has to do with child safety, it’s all transparent lies to get more for them and less for us. Let’s break the entire internet so that a very small group has more
Fuck all of you assholes, o hope you all die soon, the world would be souch better and nicer.
I know none of this is actually about protecting kids… But even if it was, their reasoning and methodology sucks.
some of the 16 to 21-year-olds surveyed saying they had viewed it “aged six or younger”.
So there may have been a problem at least 10 years ago. Does that problem still exist? (never mind the obvious “is the problem parents ignoring their kids on a tablet”…)
Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.
Okay, now let’s address the parents being the problem. By default, Google’s “Safe Search” is on, and the kid actively searched for porn. So no parental supervision of the 12 year old kid on the internet. Someone setup a google account, and changed the default settings to show those results. (oh, but that person is 25 now, so that was also 13 years ago…)
Almost all of the big websites have parental control settings that would alleviate the vast majority of these “problems” if parents actually used them. Parents being willfully ignorant isn’t going to be resolved by legislation. They know that. This is all a smoke screen to put the entire population behind a firewall and control the narrative. It isn’t even a very thick smoke screen.
Almost all of the big websites have parental control settings that would alleviate the vast majority of these “problems” if parents actually used them.
Nope. Parental controls in general suck and are often bare bones just for a semblance of legal compliance. Parents don’t have access to every device children have access to either
Parents don’t have access to every device children have access to either
Either parents or the school… and if the school doesn’t have a pretty significantly locked down network, that’s a separate problem.
Also, you’re right, I misspoke. While some of the bigger websites have decent-ish parental controls, I was more thinking of device specific parental controls. The amount you can lock-down (and monitor) a phone you give your 12 year old is pretty impressive. I’d rather parents did that than hand the monitoring, censoring, and access over to various government agencies all over the world.
Stop blocking Wikipedia
I guess it’s just too late for all those children that viewed porn. The piles of their dead bodies must be enormous!
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vpns being more regulated than guns aren’t politicians awesome
I have a great job lined up in the UK, I’m not sure I can take it up considering that is turning into this kind of shit hole.
I wouldn’t take it up, honestly. Best to go for somewhere in the EU instead.
The UK is a US puppet state, and pretty much showing it.
I’m EU adjacent, with better privacy laws and definitely aware of the role parents need to play in parenting and of government overreach. I’m happy here but dem monies
Hmm, I don’t know your situation, but if you’re living in Switzerland, Norway, the Faroe Islands, or Iceland, I honestly would just recommend staying there.
If it’s in Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, or Bosnia, then yeah, fair. But I thought none of those had good privacy laws?
Can’t imagine Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, or Turkey have good privacy laws. And certainly not any of the North African countries…
Don’t worry, the rest of the world will follow suit in a minute
Don’t give them your human capital.
This is so fucking stupid, you cannot stop VPNs, because things like ShadowSocks exist. When will they learn that the only way to stop VPNs is to disable the internet completely. As long as the internet exists, VPNs will too. Ask your friend Xi Jinping about that.
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A friend recently told me that palantir has some sort of stake in this data management for the OSA? Is this true? I know they’ve had a deal with NHS England for a few years
If so, our world is taking a very scary turn
If anyone hasn’t I’d advise to do research on palantir, Peter thiel and Curtis Yarvin for a window into the psychology of the people pushing us down this road
If Thiel’s mafia organisation (I refuse to call that scrap by desecrating sir Tolkien’s works’ names) has a deal with the NHS, then that should be ended ASAP. Fuck that, that’s some serious spying.
Capitalism is shit, and there are things where it especially NEVER, EVER should have any access, power or influence, directly or indirectly:
- Health services
- Parliaments, committees, assemblies
- Nature
- Housing
- Water and food
- National security
This pisses me off so much. They don’t give a single solitary fuck about kids OR their safety online. If they did, they wouldn’t do it like this. If/when I have kids, they’re not getting a smartphone until they turn 14. Until then, they’ll be using a flip phone to contact me. THAT’S how you create a safe online environment for kids, not by banning VPNs which takes away privacy rights from everyone else. They just want to control us and take our right to privacy away but they don’t realize that a strict government creates the best liars. If they ban VPNs, people WILL find a way to consume whatever content they desire regardless of what the government says. This can only end badly and make life hell for everyone below a certain tax bracket. Although, I guess that was their goal at the very beginning so I’m just being redundant.
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It’s their job to guard their kids from this content first and foremost. It’s their job to put it into context for their children. But the article doesn’t even mention that any of this is a humongous failing of parents.
Next this commissioner will want to outlaw computer mice because they’re used to click pornographic content without verifying the age of the finger on the button. And roads because adult content actors use them to get to jobs.
The way forward is not banning or making worse all sorts of useful tools as collateral damage in this “think of the children” campaign. It is to get all adult content everywhere behind a barrier toddlers cannot break. We were fine with porn mags partially obscured on the top shelf at a news agent when that was a thing. And the salesperson making sure the customer wasn’t a minor. The solution isn’t closing all digital news agents.
And it’s quite telling that the existence of VPNs didn’t play a bigger part in this UK online safety initiative. Like it wasn’t obvious that when the west entrance to porn central was closed off, people wouldn’t naturally look for the ones in east, north, and south.
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