Exactly, the hivemind is strong in this thread

Key point being, similar to some random languages. JS and Python Syntax don’t fit a typed and compiled language at all.

Pretty syntax would probably be something like C, where not every single character already widely reserved for specific keywords (like !, ', =) is reused in completely random ways.

From the first syntax examples on Wikipedia:

fn main() {
    let foo = 10; 
    // Suddenly, types are implicit now. A safe language should never have implicit types (now it's the (IDEs) implementations judgement which type that is. Combined with the variable shadowing "feature", this seems like a major clusterfuck. Now the IDE is the sole thing to tell you that you totally fucked up the logic, and both declarations/definitions (well which one is it? Would be nice to always have a direct KEYWORD telling you which type this fucking variable has. But no, the lazy piece of shit Rust 'programmer' left that as an exercise to the dear reader. Because in they just need to leave that part out instead of explicitly stating "I'm a lazy piece of shit" by *instead* typing 'auto'.) This is just Python-level BS. Yes, I also hate C++ for its auto keyword - but at least it explicit.
    println!("The value of foo is {foo}");
    let foo = 20;
    println!("The value of foo is {foo}");
}

fn add_two(x: i32) -> i32 {
// That is, again, the syntax of Python. Why? Because Python is explicitly untyped. So having types be a *literal* afterthought is Ok. They're fully optional anywhere there. Now we're in Rust. They're sometimes optional, sometimes not, but they're always preferred. Yet, they're also an afterthought, seemingly.
    x + 2
    // Implicit statements are bad. Very bad. They so much invite to glossing over stuff, especially when your brain expects to see something else. Also, having every statement ended with ;, except context blocks, but suddenly *not* having statements ending with ;, is fucking ugly (which is the entire point of this rant). It's completly inconsistent. Which in itself is a huge magnet for errors.
}

if x > 5 {
// Now why would you leave the parantheses, which are a major contributor to readability, away. Or even allow this. Rust is just memory safe, like dozens of other mainstream languages, but continues by allowing, promoting and requiring hazardous practices.
    println!("value is greater than five");
}

Now I’m slowly getting annoyed from typing on phone (at least in nvim), and my throat gets clogged with mucus again.

Remember, some of that are subjective preferences and opinions. And the core idea of Rust - fast but safe programs - is good, yet very obvious and not innovative at all, while the syntax and implementation (of cargo (yes I like to wait an hour for a simple webapp to compile because there aren’t binary crates and cargo just doesn’t multicore 99% of the time)) is subpar to something that’s hailed as the savior for everyone and everything by such a large cult.

Whatever your place defines as a standard. I’ve seen ugly code in C, JavaScript, Java, etc., that uses them all over the place because they’re not mandatory.

If you don’t have consistent indenting, your code looks like copy/paste from several sources; but if you do have consistent indenting, then the indenting of Python is a non-issue.

Per the Linux kernel coding style:

Tabs are 8 characters, and thus indentations are also 8 characters. There are heretic movements that try to make indentations 4 (or even 2!) characters deep, and that is akin to trying to define the value of PI to be 3.

Depends on the mood.

White space sensitive languages are evil.

Haskell has the choice of both indentation based and brackets for things like do blocks, but most people use indentation based cause it’s the norm and looks cleaner

The concept of a list comprehenshion is sinple but syntax is awful, as if Yoda was writing a for loop. “x for x in y it is, hmm yes”.

I’m not saying I don’t understand them. I’m saying the syntax is terrible. Compare it to Ruby (or any other modern language) and it’s abundantly clear.

python (uses syntax not available in any other top 25 language)

print([j**2 for j in [2, 3, 4, 5]]) # => [4, 9, 16, 25]

ruby (normal chain syntax with map)

puts [2, 3, 4, 5].map{|j| j**2}

even kotlin is more readable, even though you have to convert to a double and back kotlin

val list = listOf(1,2,3,4)
println(list.map{it.toDouble().pow(2.0).toInt()})

For nested cases it’s even more apparent:

python

digits = [1, 2, 3]
chars = ['a', 'b', 'c']    
print([str(d)+ch for d in digits for ch in chars if d >= 2 if ch == 'a'])    
# => ['2a', '3a']

ruby

digits = [1, 2, 3]
chars = ['a', 'b', 'c']   
digits.product(chars).select{ |d, ch| d >= 2 && ch == 'a' }.map(&:join)

kotlin

val digits = listOf(1, 2, 3)
val chars = listOf('a', 'b', 'c')
println(digits.flatMap { d ->
    chars.filter { ch -> d >= 2 && ch == 'a' }.map { ch -> "${d}${ch}" }})

just from a base level, you have to read the middle of the comprehension first, then the end, then the beginning. It’s a completely backwards way to write and read code. unlike other languages that use a ‘functional’ approach, where it’s chained methods or pipes, etc. Even Elixir, which does have list comprehensions, reads and writes in the proper order:

elixir

for x <- 0..100, x * x > 3, do: x * 2

I recognise that different languages have different styles, strengths and idioms. One of my pain points is when people write every language as if it’s naughties java. Enough with the enterprise OoP crap.

I’ve also learnt languages like Haskell to expand and challenge the way I think about software problems. I learnt a lot doing it. That doesn’t stop a lot of Haskell code looking like line noise to me because it over-uses symbols and it being close to impenetrable in a lot of cases when you read somebody else’s code.

I think the aesthetics of Rust are the wrong side of the line. Not as bad as something like Haskell (or Perl), but still objectionable. Some things seem to be different even though there’s pre-existing notation. Things seem to be dense, magical, and for the compilers benefit over the readers (as an outsider).

I’ve been learning Zig recently and the only notational aspect I struggled with was the pointer/slice notation as there’s 5 or 6 similar forms that mean fairly different things. It has other new concepts and idioms to learn, but on the whole it’s notation is fairly traditional. That has made reading code a lot more approachable (…which is a good thing because the documentation for some aspects sucks).