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Gsus4 ( Gsus4@mander.xyz )  to Europe@feddit.orgEnglish · 5 months ago

Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

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Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists

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Gsus4 ( Gsus4@mander.xyz )  to Europe@feddit.orgEnglish · 5 months ago
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Waymo, the autonomous driving tech firm whose so-called ‘robo-taxis’ are now roaming the streets of London, has allegedly told cycling campaigners that expecting their driverless cars to respect cycle lanes is “too high a bar” – because their customers want to be dropped off in them.But Waymo has denied making such a claim, instead pointing ... Read more
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  • artyom ( artyom@piefed.social ) 
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    This reminds me of the old “we can’t exist without copyright theft” defense from AI companies. Okay, well, maybe you shouldn’t exist?

    • zaphod ( zaphod@sopuli.xyz ) 
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      Breaking laws as a business model is how a lot of companies started, look at Uber and AirBnB for example. They even have a name for this, they call it “disruption”.

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        I really would prefer our laws had teeth and the leadership of Airbnb and uber had had their lives ruined.

        • vandsjov ( vandsjov@feddit.dk ) 
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          Uber was kicked out of Denmark for not driving with a Taxi licence and not following the rules. Now they are back in Denmark by buying an existing taxi company.

  • Zwuzelmaus ( Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ) 
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    a cyclist in San Francisco sued the Google-owned company after she was seriously injured when one of the brand’s driverless taxis stopped in a cycle lane and a passenger opened its back door, striking the cyclist

    Well, in Germany the cyclists would have the law 100% on their side and win every case.

    is “normal practice” for the autonomous vehicles

    And if it is done deliberately (repeatedly), then the car’s operator is in the area of criminal law.

    • SeductiveTortoise ( SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social ) 
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      In Germany, someone would snap pictures to write a ticket before they even got out of the car and I’m all here for it. Sometimes being petty is exactly what we need.

      • Gladaed ( Gladaed@feddit.org ) 
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        Not really. Parking in the bike lane is common to avoid blocking the road.

        • SeductiveTortoise ( SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social ) 
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          But it shouldn’t be

          • Gladaed ( Gladaed@feddit.org ) 
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            You claim something that is wrong from my lived reality in said country. I never claimed it was good.

            • SeductiveTortoise ( SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social ) 
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              But it’s true from my lived reality.

              Sei die Änderung, die du in der Welt sehen möchtest.

              • Gladaed ( Gladaed@feddit.org ) 
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                Deine Tatsachenbehauptung ist trotzdem falsch. Und wir sollten uns keine Fantasierealität vorgaukeln.

                • SeductiveTortoise ( SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social ) 
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                  Wenn es bei dir nicht so ist, solltest du eventuell nicht von dir auf alle schließen.

                  Aber easy, ich habe ehrlich gesagt sowieso keinen Bock, mich zu streiten. Lassen wir es einfach dabei.

        • vandsjov ( vandsjov@feddit.dk ) 
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          Like cars parking and covering most of the foot path. So they block less of the road, when in reality, most of the time they cause the same kind of blockage (only one car can now pass instead of two) as if they parked fully on the road. But now prams and other “wide” pedestrians needs to go onto the road.

    • Che Banana ( The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org ) 
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      In Spain it woulf anger the other drivers that have parked there… :(

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      Well, in Germany the cyclists would have the law 100% on their side and win every case.

      Law on their side: probably Winning cases: aus Mangel öffentlichen Interesses eingestellt…

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        Not possible when somebody has been seriously injured.

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    Just like how youtuber “not just bikes” said it would be, cities would be much better improving public transportation than complying with whatever big tech companies tell em to do

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      I work near a Waymo station and they have ~5 cars per minute just wandering around the parking lot there. They have zero business there. Just driving aimlessly.

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        I knew this would happen but didn’t though it was happening right now, I think if cities or entire countries won’t do anything bout it right now then as time passes this cars will much more than 5, also I genuinely think in the future they could program this cars specifically for them to get in a public transport way so it will slow down and more people will go with waymo or whatever

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        You should set up a webcam and a continuous stream on youtube :-)

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          LOL there’s no internet. But I can film a timelapse.

    • birdwing ( birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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      Especially considering big tech companies are unelected, whereas cities’ governments are elected.

      • Zwuzelmaus ( Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ) 
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        cities’ governments are elected.

        …by big tech (just sometimes (hopefully))

  • Nomecks ( Nomecks@lemmy.ca ) 
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    They make a perfect bike accessory for this problem:

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    So Waymo is basically saying, get rid of bike lanes or we will kill and maim bicyclists. Or don’t and we’ll just start the killing and maiming.

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      Jury nullification is still a thing. If someone smashed up some waymo property, find them not guilty.

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        Is it in the UK? Not sure how their jury system is set up. Fwiw, other western european justice systems use civil law and don’t do juries, so it is not a thing there.

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    I can’t wait for someone to invent some tool that allows me to fry the brain of every Waymo that I drive by

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    So at this moment these taxis has drivers, but eventually they will be driverless and be priced “competitively, but premium”. They cut out the driver’s wagen and charge more?

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    They are right in the sense that I expect other cab companies to do the same.

    You need to push against the industry, not be fueled by AI hate when an issue is mostly independent.

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