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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml )  to Privacy@lemmy.mlEnglish · 5 months ago

A web page that shows you everything the browser told it

sinceyouarrived.world

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A web page that shows you everything the browser told it

sinceyouarrived.world

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml )  to Privacy@lemmy.mlEnglish · 5 months ago
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  • Dessalines ( dessalines@lemmy.ml ) 
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    This ones my fave: https://amiunique.org/fingerprint

    It shows the percentages of people who use your same browser features (called similarity ratios), and can determine whether you’re unique in their dataset. Can help for tweaking browser settings to try to make yourself not unique.

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      TIL LibreWolf randomizes some fingerprinting targets.

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        Yes and it will appear unique every time because every visit is using a different combination.

        You’ll be unique be less trackable.

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      i used to think that firefox on linux and as plain-jane-generic as you could get besides windows; but no, i’m ultra unique:

      Yes! You are unique among the 5084762 fingerprints in our entire dataset.

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      Attribute number 1 already says 0%. We’re done here.

    • MadameBisaster ( MadameBisaster@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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      I am unique cause I set language to EN-GB :D I guess their dataset is us centric

      • JackFrostNCola ( JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone ) 
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        Same here with en-au, and my fucking timezone.

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      My Mum always said I was unique.

      Now I have proof!

      Just being in Australia, and setting the timezone correctly gets you to below 0.6%

      😒

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      Is there no add on, for Firefox, for example, to stop or confuse fingerprinting?

      Any suggestions?

      For Android.

      • SwooshBakery624 [they/them] ( SwooshBakery624@programming.dev ) 
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        You can enable RFP on Firefox Android with about:config. Or just install IronFox/WebLibre, they’ll do it for you.

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          About:config doesn’t work on my android Firefox.

          I should switch.

    • ChaoticNeutralCzech ( ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ) 
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      I like clickclickclick.click

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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      that’s pretty comprehensive, and similarity ratios show how easy it is to create a unique fingerprint for somebody if you hash a few of these metrics together for example.

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      The percentage of, normally, privacy-aware people

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      dang, even with vanadium on graphene i am very uniquely identified. I suppose it can’t be helped these days.

    • Programman4233 ( Programman4233@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      what does “You are unique among the 5119710 fingerprints …” mean?

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    all trackers hate this one trick

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      Unironically a solid way to block a lot of tracking. Although they can still fingerprint you I think.

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        Nothing makes you more unique than being one of the few people who disable java script

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          Better a known locked door than inviting them into your home

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          Honestly I would rather they fingerprint compared to running random code from websites.

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      Only a handful of data points surfaces by this website come from JS APIs, most are either header-based or some other browser behaviour that is independent from JS

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    Vibe coded af, how has nobody spotted this. The website swears the text was written by a human, and either they have contracted chronic GPT-virus or are an LLM

    edit: this is made by Rise Up Labs which is an ai psychosis company

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      How can you tell that it was vibe coded? Genuine question.

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        AI is quite good at web design now, but it still has a distinct style. Claude in particular LOVES to mix serif and monospace fonts. This isn’t necessarily a guarantee based on just that, but it did trigger my alarm bells.

        The second biggest thing is the language. LLMs absolutely SPAM slightly vague, short phrases separated by punctuation.

        The language on each data point also is pretty repetitive which implies either sub agents were called or the model was asked individually to write something about it in a specific tone.

        The final nail in the coffin was the company that made it, Rise up labs, which advertised all their AI software on their home page

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      deleted by creator

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    1000014440

    And yet here they are showing me their webpage in darkmode 😒

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      Removed by mod

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    Well too bad!

    • iuminou ( thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      🗿

      the data is still there tho

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        Can’t trust vibecoded website tbh cause they’re just saying BS there, as longest the javascripts off, it wouldn’t be able to obtain the obvious data of your devices

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          That is not true, a lot of it is sent willingly by your browser.

          And they could display it if the website was well done

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            If you’re referring to browser user agent, then yes it’s trackable but other than that it is useless with no JS cause it can’t access timezone, browser plugin, screen size, font or webgl rendering fingerprints.

            Also I don’t use “most browser” like chrome, I mostly use firefox focus or safari for my iPhone running lockdown mode; also librewolf in my personal computer.

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      Whoops, I dunno why it’s formatted weirdly

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        Because it’s AI-slopped.

    • ShowSuperb9281 ( ShowSuperb9281@thelemmy.club ) 
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      How do I turn off JavaScript?

  • herseycokguzelolacak ( herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml ) 
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    I prefer https://www.deviceinfo.me/

    • Damage ( Damage@feddit.it ) 
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      I get a blank page?

    • Rai ( Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      iOS and the browser I use block a lot of stuff from being visible, interesting!

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    I’m glad it acknowledges explains the impacts of anti-fingerprinting measures. I’ve seen some others assume that a random canvas is unique rather than one of the many people randomising it the same way, leading to a false “unique” assessment.

    Your browser appears to be returning the viewport in place of the real screen — anti-fingerprinting at work. The substitution is itself distinctive.

    Your browser masked your graphics processor. Firefox and Safari have started returning generic strings — “Mozilla”, “Apple”, “or similar” — instead of the real renderer. The fact that yours did so tells us, with reasonable confidence, which browser you are running. The mask is also a fingerprint.

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    So a prettier and minimal version of https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/ ?

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      This is a much more detailed, less “fear mongering AI” version of the other website. Thanks for sharing!

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      Does it matter for fingerprinting if the information is misleading? Unless it’s changing dynamically I guess it’s still helps in identifying a user

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  • beernutz ( beernutz@lemmy.zip ) 
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    Your finger moved 899 times… what???

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      It seems to count a swipe as a series of dozens of movements. Probably to show there’s a clear fingerprint even in how exactly you move your finger.

      Websites don’t just get a “swipe” command. They know exactly where your finger is on the screen at any given moment.

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        When i looked at it there were zero swipes. Just a desktop browser.

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    Site feels very LLM generated - in particular the writing just feels off

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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      Could you explain why it would be in any way relevant if that was the case?

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        I’m interested in the people that make the stuff I consume. When I read something or enjoy a piece of art, much of the enjoyment is imagining why the artist made the decisions they did. If it was made by AI, the answer is much less interesting.

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          This is not a piece of art, it’s a piece of educational material showing people what information websites collect about them. But it’s also fascinating how you could enjoy something if you didn’t know how it was produced, and then the act of knowing would remove the enjoyment you were deriving from it.

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            The enjoyment includes the feeling of reaching out to another person’s mind. Finding out there is no mind is like expecting stairs where there are none and stepping into emptiness.

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              That’s just complete misunderstanding of how people use these tools. The intention still comes from somebody’s mind. Somebody had an idea and they used the tool to execute it.

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                They’re the client, not the artist. There is no artist and no artist’s mind to connect to.

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                  In the same way a photographer is a client of the camera.

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        https://piefed.social/c/fuck_ai/p/2042849/i-ve-finally-understood-what-my-beef-with-ai-is

        I came across this post the other day, and this person has put into words what I have simply failed to.

        In short; AI makes the world feel empty and hollow. Many people enjoy the process behind the things we create or encounter, even if it wasn’t us to go through that process. Replacing it with AI removes the human touch/connection that made that thing interesting. I don’t want to know about the faceless algorithm that spat out what I’m seeing; I want to know about the person that created this and their experiences that brought them here.

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          I mean that’s fine, but plenty of things in our modern life are mass produced, and utilitarian. Everything doesn’t need to be art. For example, I don’t need my toothbrush to be crafted by an artisan, nor do I care if a website that shows stats collected by the browser was artisanally coded or not.

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            I’m actually going to make a separate point from my other comment:

            Art is a matter of perspective.

            Maybe you don’t care about how your toothbrush was designed; but someone somewhere sat down and made decisions about how to best shape it, what materials to use, what kind/how many/what thickness of bristles, how to color it, etc. Those were decisions made from experiences that person had which they chose to factor into their designs.

            Someone else out there is interested in what led to those design choices, perhaps to design their own with improvements or changes, perhaps just out of curiosity. They can’t ask an algorithm why it made the choices it did and have a discussion about the details; but they could with a person.

            What some find disinteresting, others immerse themselves in. AI destroys those opportunities for human connection. Human connection we already struggle to find as a species.

            You might not care how this site was created, but some do. The use of an LLM has made it impossible to discuss the choices made, because there weren’t any decisions, just an algorithm spitting out letters one after another…

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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              That’s just a complete straw man that stems from having utter lack of understanding how people actually use LLMs. Here’s one example for you from Terence Tao https://mathstodon.xyz/@tao/115855840223258103

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            True; however many of the current use cases for AI aren’t utilitarian, but are instead forcibly replacing artists while stealing their work to do so. Ontop of this, the infrastructure behind/supporting these tools is destructive and measurably making a significant amount of peoples lives worse.

            These factors have jaded people against AI as a whole; as support for AI is seen as support for the destruction and instability it’s brought with it.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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              And the rest of us are just tired of people braying about AI in every single thread. People just have to learn how to deal with their personal issues without spamming about their feelings everywhere. I see far more people screeching about AI than actual AI generated content at this point. These tantrums add absolutely nothing to any discussion, and they’re just noise.

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                “I’m tired of listening to people complain about their or their friends lives being uprooted and my indifference to those problems”

                I see far more people screeching about AI than actual AI generated content at this point.

                Good, it’s working. People are shying away from creating/posting AI content, knowing it’s very vocally unwanted.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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                  Not really, people are just tired of your spam.

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        AI generated is just a stand in for hollow & over-dramatized here. Probably I could enjoy AI generated content if it wasn’t shit. The claims on the site reminiscent of 14y/o skids trying to scare each other: “uhhh I got your IP I will hack you now!1!1”, except now you have access to some chatbot subscription to make it sound like it’s a big deal.

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          So, just say that. You think site is hollow and over dramaticized.

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      I scrolled “103% of the way down”

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        I had scrolled 32% when I reached the end.

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    This volume requires JavaScript. That is part of the point — your browser is what is being read.

    Looks like I’m safe

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        Sure helps a lot

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    which means it is almost certainly a recent, high-end display

    lolno

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      Both recent and high end are rather flexable terms, open wide to interpretation.

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        So it doesn’t mean anything and only sounds scawwy, cool.

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    Opend it in Tor Browser inside a Whonix dispVM inside Qubes OS it got nothing on me

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    Well then I am glad that it got most of it wrong. I don’t even put thaat much emphasis on fingerprinting countermeasures. Apparently, using Firefox in a private tab is enough.

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