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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml )  to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 8 days ago

A capitalism truth pill people still need to swallow

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A capitalism truth pill people still need to swallow

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml )  to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 8 days ago
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  • Ravenheart ( Ravenheart@lemmy.zip ) 
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    *Kills. Still does.

  • Yakuza_Wolf_ReRise ( Yakuza_Wolf_ReRise@thelemmy.club ) 
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    Violence & Greed go hand & hand

  • YragNitram1956 ( YragNitram1956@feddit.uk ) 
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    I am fearful about the extreme ignorance, simple mindedness and gullibility of some of the electorate. They are completely blind to the effects of neoliberalism, which is the main guiding force behind the bumptious, odious and fascist/racist Reform party who believe that competition is the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning. Attempts to limit competition are treated as inimical to liberty. Tax and regulation should be minimised; public services should be privatised. The organisation of labour and collective bargaining by trade unions are portrayed as market distortions that impede the formation of a natural hierarchy of winners and losers. Inequality is recast as virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive. The market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve. We internalise and reproduce its creeds. The rich persuade themselves that they acquired their wealth through merit, ignoring the advantages – such as education, inheritance, and class – that may have helped to secure it. The poor begin to blame themselves for their failures, even when they can do little to change their circumstances.

    • BanMeFromPosting ( BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml ) 
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      What?

  • bloviate ( bloviate@lemmus.org ) 
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    Sure yes but I don’t see a workable alternative.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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      China would like to disagree.

      • bloviate ( bloviate@lemmus.org ) 
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        Western culture won’t work like that. Germany is about as far as we go, and that’s still capitalism.

        • lenabee ( lenabee@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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          Doesn’t =/= Wouldn’t

          • bloviate ( bloviate@lemmus.org ) 
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            This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be.

            • EmmiLime ( EmmiLime@lemmy.ml ) 
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              This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be

              Because the bourgeoisie impede any attempt. And you’re wrong as GDR is proof it did work.

              Nazi Germany is capitalism’s response to Communism.

              • bloviate ( bloviate@lemmus.org ) 
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                I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. They all agree that things are better now. You don’t have a good example.

                To the extent that the bourgeoisie are able to vote, buy political ads, hire private police, use private schools which reinforce their preferences, etc this will never fly. Again you need to find a third way that is popular. My solution is regulation, but I would happily jump on a bandwagon that has people on it. GDR is not that bandwagon.

                • BanMeFromPosting ( BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml ) 
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                  Guess we can pack up all of political theory, this guy has an anecdote

                • BrainInABox ( BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ) 
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                  "You don’t have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved)

                • EmmiLime ( EmmiLime@lemmy.ml ) 
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                  I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy.

                  How old are they?

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    Removed by mod

    • EmmiLime ( EmmiLime@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Capitalism is dominant because it is the only model known to survive with stability long term over massive populations.

      Gee I wonder why socialist countries you are thinking of just up and failed?! Just spontaneously happened, no external interference whatsoever, no siree!

    • BrainInABox ( BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Capitalism hasn’t even survived with stability in the short term: it’s yet to manage even a century without a catastrophic crisis.

    • Oppopity ( Oppopity@lemmy.ml ) 
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      They didn’t have to recede to survive, they were fucking killed that’s why they’re not socialist anymore. Because they were all overthrown or sanctioned to hell or invaded.

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    Always did.

  • Daftydux ( Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    • elixir_fan ( elixir_fan@lemmy.ml ) 
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      cringe

      • Daftydux ( Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        You gotta put the * * if you want it to emote

  • MrIamsosmrt ( MrIamsosmrt@feddit.org ) 
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    It makes sense. There are way more people in capitalistic countries than in communist ones

    • calmblue75 ( calmblue75@lemmy.ml ) 
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      India wasn’t a capitalist country when they colonised us and killed millions of us.

  • wrathofcon ( wrathofcon@lemmy.zip ) 
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    ‘Everything I dislike is capitalism and the more I dislike it the more capitalismer it is’- Karl Marx

    • BrainInABox ( BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Person who has never read a word of Marx but has an opinion anyway

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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      ^ how to say you’re an ignoramus who’s never read a book

  • Maya ( skyblitz@ieji.de ) Banned from community
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    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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      More like laughs in being a shameful ignoramus helping spread literal fascist propaganda.

      During the 1932 Holodomor Famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:

      While the leadership did not stop exports, they did try to alleviate the famine. A 25 February 1933 Central Committee decree allotted seed loans of 320,000 tons to Ukraine and 240,000 tons to the northern Caucasus. Seed loans were also made to the Lower Volga and may have been made to other regions as well. Kul’chyts’kyy cites Ukrainian party archives showing that total aid to Ukraine by April 1933 actually exceeded 560,000 tons, including more than 80,000 tons of food

      Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.

      Aid to Ukraine alone was 60 percent greater than the amount exported during the same period. Total aid to famine regions was more than double exports for the first half of 1933.

      According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest

      It appears to have been another consequence of the low 1932 harvest that more aid was not provided: After the low 1931, 1934, and 1936 harvests procured grain was transferred back to peasants at the expense of exports.

      Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, its interesting to see that the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could.

      https://www.jstor.org/stable/2500600

      kulaks slaughtered livestock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak#Dekulakization

      https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/169438

      https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/589297.Fraud_Famine_and_Fascism

      #historyMatters

      • BanMeFromPosting ( BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml ) 
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        More sources on the holodomor and the bs liberal perpetuation of Nazi propaganda

        https://education.holodomor.ca/understanding-holodomor-loss-numbers/

        Famine was worse for Kazakhs: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326566284_Ukraine_and_Kazakhstan_Comparing_the_Famines

        https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-forgotten-soviet-famine-1541111157

        A brief overview of Double Genocide theory: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/holocaust-revisionism-ultranationalism-and-the-nazisoviet-double-genocide-debate-eastern

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      Libs are always so grateful to cling to fascist double genocide theory as a comforting mythology.

    • BanMeFromPosting ( BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Crazy to perpetuate double Genocide theory in the big 26

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