Just joined, and well, I’m thinking ill stay. Ive been looking for a good reddit alternative for a while now. devs, you’ve done quite some good work here.

        • Sadly i checked in on the Apollo sub and there’s a lot of hate on there for Lemmy. Not sure if people fully understand it or they are just fighting the inevitable change that is coming lol. But it def. reminds me of the digg meltdown and how people were hellbent that reddit sucked and wouldn’t last and was too difficult to use… lol change is hard sometimes but it’s life.

          •  Hyperz   ( @Hyperz@beehaw.org ) 
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            Yes I’ve noticed this as well. I think there’s some denial mixed in there. Right now the 3rd-party apps still work. They can still use old.reddit. Adult content hasn’t been banned on site and official app yet. The IPO and likely cash-out/sell-out that will follow is still some months away. A lot of the people are in the “this is fine” stage at the moment, similar to the situation over at Twitter. Most of them will see the light eventually. That said, there does seem to be a growing interest in Lemmy already.

            • I agree things are just now starting to intensify on Reddit. If and when they go through with those changes will be when some people start to wake up. The ones that don’t see it then probably never will lol.

              Yeah, I’ll admit until a few days ago I had never heard about lemmy. Wasn’t until I was seriously seeking something other than Reddit did I come across this site. It reminds me some of the twitter exodus after musk bought it. Lots of new interest in mastodon like almost overnight. I’m sure some of it died down due to mastodon not being *exactly * like twitter and it does have a bit of a learning curve but surprisingly mastodon continues to grow at a pretty decent pace. I imagine a bit of a similar situation here.

              •  iod   ( @iod@lemmy.ml ) 
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                My only hope and worry is that the devs and admins are aware and prepared for the big wave of new users. Especially this instance and those featured as recommended in joinlemmy. Mastodon also went through the same thing but for some reason I think they had some more time to mature before that.

                Ive already been experiencing some stability issues and this volume is nothing compared to what could possibly be coming as early as next month.

              • It was the same with Firefox for me. As soon as Chrome announced The adpocalypse, everyone wanted to jump ship from Chrome. Forget what happened that made me switch about 6 months before that but I tend to catch on to stuff like this earlier than most.

            • The complaints are all over the place so likely coming from people that either A.) haven’t actually used Lemmy. B.) Used it for .5 seconds got confused and gave up. C.) Are just afraid of change and just wanna stick their heads in the sand…

              But most of them center around how difficult lemmy is to use and how “communities are way too overbearing with the rules.” , that it uses the new.reddit UI, and that it’s run by a bunch of “tankies”

              •  raj   ( @raj@lemmy.ml ) 
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                What’s a tankie? My biggest concern is the fragmentation of communities due to multiple servers, so the numbers in any one server will always be smaller.

                • Basically another term for communists.

                  The fragmentation might be a hurdle but with how the fediverse works I see it more just being similar to email. You’ve got people using gmail, yahoo, aol etc each is its own separate server but they can all play nicely together and if one dies the others keep trucking.

    • Every single time you offer an alternative to people, if it’s not a perfect clone they complain that it’s too confusing. What they’re really saying is they didn’t want to have to learn a single new thing at all.

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          I do. Many times, it can be from a failure in UX or bad choice of on-boarding steps by the referrer, and not from their incapability of learning and building. Those people aren’t less valuable just because they didn’t overcome a circumstantial hurdle.

          Personally, I’m taking steps to lower that hurdle. I refuse to link anyone to the Join Lemmy page. That’s a bad on-boarding practice, and we had Mastodon to prove it, because it drove away even plenty of valuable techies. I’m linking everyone directly to Lemmy.ml and Beehaw, which can be explored without committing, and telling them to consider explore the fediverse “later” if they like the way these vanilla instances work. Let’s first show that the content and feature set is perfectly capable and there’s nothing to dislike.

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            Its really better to link to joinlemmy so that people get distributed across different instances. We dont want everyone to be on the same instance, that would cause many problems.

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              Yes, but that’s the thing, that’s a culture, philosophy and safeguard concern. We want the ecosystem to be distributed because of many reasons we can go copy paste off of a fediverse explanation page or video.

              But in these times, when people are looking for social media replacements, they do not share those concerns. Not initially at least. I see it like a hierarchy of needs but for social media consumption. We risk tiring people out at the understanding and culture step when all they’re looking for in that moment is for ease of access to content and discussion. We can have our cake and eat it too by showing them that, yes, this platform can fit their needs, and also hint that it has these interoperability, customization, privacy and so on advantages that they can easily find about.

              Look, I’m just saying, Mastodon has a bad rep. I met plenty of supposedly smart people who treat the whole Twitter migration thing as “those dumb evangelists with their stupid platform that doesn’t even have a functional tag search ahah”. People who had no trouble going back to other, older platforms. I’m not letting that happen again, at least not from my hand. I’m going to sell from the bottom of their pyramid.

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                I think it’s good to have a mix of both, personally I have no qualms with you or anyone else linking lemmy.ml, beehaw.org over join-lemmy.org.

                Even Reddit started off as one page for everything, then added subreddits with reddit.com/r/reddit.com still as the catch-all, before locking it in 2012. I think having two or three big catch-all sites is fine and anyone interested in specific topics create another account elsewhere.

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                  Question as a new user: what would be the point or purpose in creating an account elsewhere if lemmy.ml has the c/ communities which are basically like subreddits that you can subscribe to? If I’m interested in specific topics, why not discuss those topics under their communities here rather than join a whole different instance for it?

            • This is better in an ideal world, but not practical right now. Let at lease one lemmy instance reach critical mass and become popular, then people will be more interested and learn about federation, and then people will start to branch out to other instances as they learn about what the differences are.

              People need a smooth transition. That’s the most important right now.

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              If you wanted to maintain distribution while also lowering onboarding friction, couldn’t you round robin 301 redirects to the signup pages on the instances listed on the joinlemmy page or something? I guess with each instance being moderated differently, having different rules, and having a different culture/focus that might not fly, idk.

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          I think the very tiny barrier of entry to the fediverse helps keep it feeling mature. It’s not flooded with teenagers who got their first phone like Reddit is

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      Aside from the whole Fediverse concept (which as a current Matrix and Mastodon user I didn’t have to relearn), the most confusing concept for new users I’d say would be that there can exist the same community on multiple servers (like, say, politics). But when you realize what this service is really doing, there’s not really another way to do it and maintain moderation control on each server. It’s actually a strength IMHO. I’m really impressed with what I’m seeing. More people coming onboard is going to make this place really fun. And if it ever becomes not fun, there’ll probably be another server that would be more your idea of fun.

      • Yeah, ive just been subbing to all of the ones for topics I like with the idea to whittle them down later once I see which ones are the best match. If anyone has a recommendation list that would be a great post

        • Yeah I’m seeing a lot of communities(?) Being created not even 15hrs ago that I’m subscribing to. It’s too early to tell which ones will work out or be properly moderated, but it’s important to be active in the communities to determine the culture moving forward. Be the change you want to see!

    • I mean, trying to subscribe to a community that wasn’t on my instance took my much longer than I would have liked. Most people are used to have their onboarding very streamlined so I get that it’s a bit jarring

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        From what I understand, beehaw has been struggling a little with their user count more or less tripling overnight. I think we’re going to have to expect some growing pains like when Mastodon was overrun a few months back.

      •  gnoop   ( @gnoop@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Yeah, I was hoping the communities were more tightly federated. That is, the community name was simply the community name on all servers rather than having local vs All.

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          But what if the mods on a community go rogue? If the politics community in one instance goes to shit because of a corrupt mod, you can join one from another instance rather than have no option.

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            You’d end up with having to go to a different community regardless. It would just mean using a new community name rather than the server+community federated name.

            Currently if something like /c/technology goes rogue, you’d end up either joining c/technology@beehaw.org or someone creates /c/tech… or both. In tighter federation, /c/technology is toast so you move to /c/tech or something like that instead but there’s no option for a /c/technology@some-other-server. In some ways more limiting but it ends up easier for the end user.

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        I’m still not sure how to do it, to be honest. But at least commenting is easy!

        Edit: I agree with the people saying the onboarding is too complex. It’s not because people are dumb. If a whole bunch of people all have the same problem with a system, it’s because it’s poorly designed for humans. Even though people who are used to the system or good at learning new systems in specific contexts can easily forget that the skills they have are learned skills, similar to how gamers forget that handling a controller is a learned skill and not just as automatic as walking for everybody out the gate.

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      Flashbacks to the first hour using reddit as an former digg user…

      It’s fine. If people want to switch they will do so.

      What separates the smart from the stupid is not the ability to adapt to something new, it’s the ability to overcome obstacles they may encounter when trying the new thing.

      • Oh I’m def. getting deja vu from the digg meltdown lol. I remember being hesitant to jump ship over to reddit but i did and never looked back. So sad to see reddit also go down that path but it’s been trending that way for a while now.

    •  Rentlar   ( @Rentlar@lemmy.ca ) 
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      Welcome! The biggest hurdle is right at the beginning. Choosing which server to register with.

      After that it’s got enough similar to Reddit, that it should be easy to post to your registered server and other federated servers as well.

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        The only thing I don’t get, is I’ve seen posts on a different site (beehaw) showing up here. I kind of know how the fediverse works sort of, but is beehaw basically the same as Lemmy running the same software? I managed to sub to a couple of beehaw things from here which is cool, but it looks like a separate site. Do you need to sign up on both?

        • I’m also new to this, but I think I understand the basics;

          • I think beehaw does indeed run the same/custom software as Lemmy, and they are associated through the Fediverse.
          • I signed up on beehaw, so assuming you can see this comment, you do not need to sign up on both
          • beehaw is slightly different from other lemmy servers in that downvoting is disabled: I literally don’t have the option to downvote you!
          • servers can associate with any other servers they want, or block servers they don’t like. For example, beehaw blocks lemmygrad (I think this one is quite commonly blocked, since its very large and visible, but also politically disagreeable to many users. I’m not sure if there’s a way for users to filter out servers manually.)
          • I think if a server is blocked by your server, you can still specifically choose to subscribe to it. I’m not entirely sure on this, however.

          If any of what I’ve written is wrong, hopefully someone will correct me à la XKCD

    • Welcome, glad to have you!

      Yeah I’m not sure why people think this is so intimidating. Click signup, get signed up, then start commenting / posting / creating communities. No one has to understand the term fediverse to do any of that.

      • Click signup. Research servers to try to find one that looks good, wonder if you can sign up for multiple, or change account to other server, or what all the implications of having tons of servers even are, encounter choice paralysis. Quit and go somewhere that hides the federation.

        Part of email’s success is that for most people the federation has been hidden. You got your email through your university or employer (pre eternal September), then through your ISP (post eternal September), then later through gmail. There’s no apparent meaningful choice to setting it up, you just use the default. The choice in the fediverse is just as meaningless, but it’s a huge focus of the process for no good reason.

        • I think it just needs time to develop. Devs need to realize that most people aren’t interested or don’t have time to think or care about what federation is. Stop trying to teach people and just give users a one-click way to immediately start scrolling and browsing posts.

          • @exterstellar @Eufalconimorph this is exactly the same conundrum with Mastodon, all the technical mumbo jumbo confuses users, simpler words and a quick start experience is everything to really gain traction and maintain engagement during the few first days and obviously over time… Federation, Activity pub, instances should be Directory, plain and simple

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      At least from what I’ve read, here’s some of the confusion.

      Most of it seems to revolve around the federation being rather loose. You have to pick a server to join first and your ID exists there. Probably easy enough as most are either joining lemmy.ml or beehaw.org, at least from what I’m seeing of new users.

      The second problem is in some community confusion and local vs All. Communities are per server then propagated out. That is, you can have /c/hockey on lemmy.ml and a separate /c/hockey on beehaw.org. You then have to select the specific community you want to join, meaning some will see it as /c/hockey and others will see it via the federation name. The federation isn’t simply hidden and behind the scenes more like IRC or usenet.

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        If you look at a site like https://news.ycombinator.com/news , you can left click on your mouse and it will highlight and select any text. This is the standard for most websites. But on Lemmy, it doesn’t highlight or allow me to select text.

        Edit: Okay it may be related to me having it in the sidebar on Edge. For some reason, Hacker News works perfect but Lemmy doesn’t/

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          Oh I think I am encountering a related issue now. If I hold the mouse down to highlight text for a longer period of time (say, 10 seconds), it just randomly unhighlights most of the text and stops highlighting any more text. It seemed to only happen when selecting text across multiple posts. Though it is inconsistent, sometimes happening right away, other times it looks like it doesn’t happen at all. I wonder if it has something to do with Javascript updating the posts maybe?> ere. I

  • It’s my opinion that nsfw content is what will make or break Lemmy, Beehaw, Kbin, or any other fediverse community.
    Every single social media giant has some degree of nsfw content, it’s a big draw that gets non-techies to join.
    Reddit, Tumblr, Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok, Facebook; all of them have/had some amount of pornographic material. Of course it’s incredibly difficult to moderate porn though, and in no way am I saying that it should be unmoderated, but I also think that 100% excluding it would be a huge factor in determining long-term success. There’s even a song about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6eFNRKEROw

  • I thought the same thing when Voat started as a mirror to Reddit. It was similar for a while but every time a troll or Nazi was ejected from Reddit they migrated to Voat. Eventually I was one of the last liberals there. Is there anyone maintaining order here or will it be the wild west ?

    • I think the lemmy structure really annoys trolls and right-wingers. They could register on a server, but they would have to play by the rules (be nice, don’t be a nazi etc), which they really don’t want. So they want their own server, but quickly realize that they’ll be alone there with their miserable peers, which they also don’t like.

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      You can check the modlog, but we admins are pretty active, and developed our list of rules over a long period of trial and error, and staunchly enforce them, with temp or permabans. You can check them on the site main page, but we do not allow hate-speech trolls, or people who make everyone’s experience unpleasant. We’re much stricter than reddit in that regard, who have an extremely “libertarian” / lax policy about hate speech, letting communities like stormfront operate there for years.

      Overall we want this to be a welcoming, pleasant, and healthy environment.

      Use the report button if you see anyone breaking the rules, and we’ll get to it as quickly as we can.

    • I’m with you - I was on Voat back when it was still Whoaverse. I bailed pretty early once I saw the direction it was heading in.

      That said - the nice thing about the Fediverse is that there are multiple communities, with different moderation styles. Lemmy has a sizable communist community, for example, but you don’t have to associate with them. In fact, some of the larger Lemmy instances (like Beehaw) don’t even federate with them; you have to go out of your way to subscribe to them if your home instance is Beehaw.

      So if what you’re saying comes to pass, and the Alt-Right comes to Lemmy (I don’t think they will, but let’s imagine) - you can easily pack up shop and migrate to another Lemmy instance that has a better moderation style, or one that won’t federate with those instances. It’s just like Mastodon in that respect.

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        Ironically (ironically only in the sense that Lemmygrad are leftist authoritarians I believe) Lemmy kind of embraces the philosophical underpinnings of leftist anarchist thought. I’m not well-read or anything but that’s just my impression.

        Voluntary decentralized communities who can voluntarily associate with each other? People act like dicks? There’s no way to enforce authority beyond exile. Exile instead of capital punishment is hard to do in real life because land is a thing that exists… but in the digital world of federated communities, it’s literally the only thing to do! And if you don’t like a certain instance you can just leave and find one that suits you better or create your own. Freedom of movement with stability dictated by the social contract and exile of those who are not adhering to the social contract.

        Honestly it really does seem pretty in line with general anarchist thought to me. And I think it will really help create a better internet in this age of media consolidation, profit-seeling, and extremism. I’m just reminded of the people begging for certain reddit subs to get banned and it not happening because the traffic was too lucrative. Now people can just exile each other in a decentralized way, no begging the admins required. I mean yeah on a smaller scale sure… But now the power to enforce the social contract is in the hands of way more people instead of just a few people per million users. Quarantining extremists will help stop the rage machine from spreading hate. I think it’s truly it’s hilarious that authoritarians over on Lemmygrad got defederated and thwarted by anarchist methods. In real life… Well, that’s what the tanks were for.

      • I don’t totally understand the fediverse yet. So an instance is basically just a portion of a website on a certain server, right? And all the instances communicate with each other to create one website?

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          Instance is a server which is what is hosted on lemmy, beehaw, perthchat etc. When you register, you create an account on that server only.

          Lemmy is the application that runs on these servers. Other examples of applications that could run instead are Mastodon, Friendica.

          The Fediverse is the interconnected network of many servers and instances. You can post on a server that you aren’t registered on, as long as they are connected (federated). If you consider all Lemmy sites that interconnect (e.g. Feddit, Lemmy, Perthchat, Beehaw) together as one “website” (a more accurate term would be social network), then from that perspective yes each server acts a portion of that “website”.

          The fun part is that Mastodon users and users of other Fediverse applications are also compatible, though there are some variations in terminology and methods that are suited for the applications use-case (tooting, crossposting, hashtags, etc.)

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          If you mean lemmy as the name of the website then yes. All these instances(or servers) create the whole network which lemmy is trying to build. For example you signed up with lemmy.ml, an instance that was created and run by the lemmy devs. This instance has communities(like subreddits) where people can post things. You can sub to these communities and they’ll appear in your feed. But other instances like beehaw also have their own communities where people can post, and you can subscribe to those communities too(using your acc here on lemmy.ml, without signing up on beehaw)

          lemmy and beehaw have their own list of members and their own admins with their own rules of whats acceptable and not.

          When you become more comfortable you’ll realize lemmy can also interact with other fediverse software( or websites) like mastodon but for now this is more than enough.

        • From a user’s point of view it’s just like email, you create your account on one server, you login with any app that supports that standard, you can interact with people from any other server, yet each server has a different owner and has it’s own address.

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          it’s like e-mail group but on steroids. Everyone can open his account where he likes. (E-Mail-Provider ~ Instance-Provider) but we can all communicate see each others posts interact in various ways and even get kinda different interfaces like Lemmy, Mastodon, Friendica, and many more.

    • This is what I worry about, too. It’s really the same story with pretty much any fediverse space I’ve joined. I come looking to get away from corporate fascists only to find the bigot individuals too fascist for the corporate spaces come there too when they get kicked off

  • Thrilled to be here at the start of something new! I remember saying the same thing about Voat years before, but I don’t think this site will go that way being federated and all. I’m on Mastodon too and call me crazy but I think federated internet is the next age. Just made a woodworking page. Can’t wait to find some like minded folks to share hobbies with! ohhhh you know what? I like gardening too…

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    Agreed. It seems promising and has that magic feeling of when I first encountered reddit for the first time post-Digg. That said, the federated aspects is neat but confusing… Still trying to work out how to view communities on different instances.

    EDIT: Ok so apparently this post is actually on a different instance. Not entirely sure how I managed to get here. Now I need to figure out how to subscribe to remote communities?

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      For now your best bet is to do the community search in the section at the top of the web ui. for example, choose “All” in the filter and search for “gaming” and it will find all gaming communities on all the intances.

      The sub you’re on right now also displays on the right hand side of the post, you can also press subscribe there.

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        Thanks, now we’re cooking with fire! I originally was trying to do it on the Android app, seems like the search isn’t functioning as expected. Web UI works as expected, not a big deal anyways since I can just “app-ify” it with a home screen shortcut.

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    Same, I exclusively used Reddit as an app. I now downloaded, and am using the Jerboa client and it works great so far. Had to figure out how to add an account but once working and in list mode its like I never left Reddit lol.

    Much love to the devs and folks hosting servers.

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    I tried it out a while back but didn’t stay long, just rejoined a few days ago myself, it’s always on my radar because it’s on the fediverse though. I’m not very attached to Reddit, but I like the amount of content on it.

    I really like Lemmy overall, but I like having niche content, hope there’s enough growth with the migration that we get more.

    spoiler

    not enough hentai catboys or catgirls yet either, how am I supposed to disappoint my parents properly under these conditions

  • I’m liking the look of it so far.

    One thing I miss is that I have reddit configured to hide any posts that I’ve voted on, in order to keep my feed fresh (using the Save button if I want to check a post again later). I’d love to see similar functionality here as well.