This kind of gatekeeping and elitism is bad for Lemmy and for FOSS.
It makes this community a less welcoming place and leaves new folks with a bad first impression. Much better to be welcoming and let people learn/see the benefits of FOSS at their own pace.
100% agree. Going “haha, aren’t I COOL for NOT using this one popular app or software!?” contributes absolutely nothing and actively makes the community uninviting. I’m all for FOSS, but if a closed-source app is better than the FOSS options, I ain’t gonna knock on anybody for using it.
Also why even use an app outside of accessibility reasons? Been using Kbin on a mobile browser and it’s been a pretty good experience.
I don’t understand how promoting FOSS in favor of proprietary software is bad for FOSS?
This is not promoting FOSS. This is mocking closed-source/paid Lemmy clients.
I don’t get the point of this.
Since when did Sync masquerade itself as FOSS?
Just use whatever you want. Isn’t that why we’re all here?
Is the Sync noise getting to you? Just ignore it. It’s natural since the app just opened up and there were a significant amount of Reddit refugees that badly wanted their app back.
I think it’s more the Lemmy userbase having different expectations than that of the Reddit userbase, with Lemmy being such a shift from Reddit.
I could use this same logic to talk about your comment. People are free to dunk on other apps, so why not just mute the post?
Sync is just so much more polished and feature-rich than all of these already… It’s exactly like how it was when it was for reddit, and it’s just one dev! I don’t mind at all paying for a fantastic app.
You guys are taking the justified corpo hate and extending it to talented individual devs just making a living.
Yeah, until he gets an attractive buyout offer from an SEO company who wants to get into data mining.
I mean, just change apps at that point? There’s no lock-in, worst case you lose what you paid to remove ads. No point getting worked up over hypothetical scenarios
Hating on someone based on unfounded hypotheticals is fucked up. LJ has always been very open with the community for the whole time Sync was on reddit.
Username checks out ig?
Wow, that is “hating” in your world? I wish I lived there. Take it down a notch, dude.
Yes, I am talking about potentials; potentials that simply do not exist in the FOSS world but happen every day with commercial software. A significant difference between an independent dev and a libre project is that you own the libre project. No one can ever take it away from you. You merely borrow it from the independent dev, and in that way, and speaking as a frustrated developer myself, every single one of them suck in all the same ways that every single corporation sucks. There’s no difference. That’s not hate, that’s pragmatic realism.
I mean he had all the opportunity for selling Sync for reddit and take profit. I converted to Sync nearly 7 years ago when I bought their ad free version called Sync Pro. He made great improvements adding material ui and lots of desirable features for an already great app. From my POV he didn’t abandon the app, gave updates till the last day of its existence and was a great dev in general who was active in his sub listening to our queries . Maybe the people who knew him from those days are the ones who is supporting him now.
Tbh, I think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. Part of FOSS and the internet in general is the ability to have choice over what you use and spend your time with. Just because Sync is out, doesn’t mean you can’t continue to use your FOSS apps. It just means that we now have an option for people who want to pay for a very polished experience.
I agree. Considering the backlash at reddit for nixing third party apps, you’d think people would praise all the options for Lemmy.
- Juno ( @Juno@beehaw.org ) English8•2 years ago
The reason I’m on lemmy is I WANT to use weird apps and see different things programmers do. It’s like the post is telling me just get taco bell when there’s a dude selling Mexican grandma style enchiladas out of a food truck and I can go over that corner restaurant and get some fire chimmi-chanagas.
I like weird stuff. So what about it? God damned people pushing some vanilla boring shit.
Just ignore them? I don’t see your point here at all. If you don’t want to eat Taco bell, don’t eat it???
- Juno ( @Juno@beehaw.org ) English2•2 years ago
Right, I’m on a third lemmy app, just saying my 2cents. What’s the problem exactly ?
Paid software absolutely has a place in the world. Evil companies producing evil software designed to build a monopoly and lock out FOSS apps do not. I don’t think Sync falls into the latter and I’m happy they’ve made the choice to be able to eat.
Just commenting this for those that may think free software is referring to price.
Free software is diametrically opposed to proprietary software, and not paid software.
Free software is free in terms of libre, not necessarily gratis. And there are corporations and individual contributors to free software that do charge for their product and maintenance of it.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
To be fair, this should be the other way around. All these foss apps are the teletubbies because they’re clunky and have major bugs. Sync is the power ranger.
Yeah I’ve used all the apps in this post and Sync is just light years ahead of all of them right now. Well worth the 19$ to remove the ads
Kinda shitty to hate on Sync like this for not being foss when the dev never claimed it to be.
Well worth the 19$ to remove the ads
Sync has gone to subscription payments:
Profile -> Remove adsremoves ads permanently for 19$The Ultra subscription is for if you want to support the dev further.
Thanks. I hadn’t noticed that.
To be fair they probably had most of the code ready, and just had to port it to Lemmy.
Major bugs? That’s not true at all, unless you mean “no tracking” is a bug?
There’s only crashalytics on sync. No tracking.
Very good.
There are tracking for ads for AdMob and Amazon, it’s the first part of the privacy policy
You can’t hit backspace on jerboa without it mushing words together
I just tested it and could not reproduce the said issue.
Connect is not broken that I’ve noticed after the first week or so.
Nah
infinity seems pretty awesome judging by the short time that I’ve spent with it
go memmy <3
Memmy is literally the reason I opted into the fediverse, such a beautiful UX/UI in this app! It feels like a true successor to Apollo.
I love over wefwef becuase that felt like a carbon copy of Apollo which I love but felt cheap
I’m really enjoying how Memmy takes heavy inspiration from Apollo but also takes it in its own direction
Interesting. Maybe at the beginning, when I first used it it felt not as good. But now it feels as snappy to me as Apollo ever was. https://vger.app I mean FKA Wefwef
First time seeing this one, looks very well made!
I tried Sync, and it didn’t scroll smoothly on my phone. So, I went back to Summit, which has been great.
But here’s an idea: let’s not get gatekeepy with apps. Use what you like. Freedom of choice is one major component of FOSS.
And summit isn’t open source either
It is not, which is unfortunate. Though you can sideload the APK directly from github and at least avoid the Google Play Store. It is also ad free, which is the primary complaint I have currently with Sync (yes those can be removed, but for a relatively hefty $20).
I like all the FOSS and community development of different Lemmy clients that’s going on, it’s really awesome and great to see.
But if Apollo was released for Lemmy, I’d subscribe to Ultra (or buy lifetime) in a heartbeat and only look at alternatives out of interest, not because I’d want to use them as my main Lemmy client. Apollo was just that good.
Views like this one feel pretty toxic and elitist to me. Let people use Sync if they like it. Let people use their Android phone unrooted if they are fine with it. Heck, let people use Windows if they like it.
It’s kinda funny that “let people have things” has only about 9 out of 10 people in agreement.
Tried all the apps and none of them is polished and smoother as sync. If tracking is the issue then one time purchase disables everything. The sdk isn’t even loaded after the purchase. One time purchase is available. For people who want to support they can use the subscription service. For those people who want foss free apps, then another set of apps are available.
At the end of the day, software developers need to eat. If they get to eat because their compensation model is driven by donations either before or after you use the app, who cares?
(Fair enough FOSS is free as in freedom, not just as in free beer, but I think that is moot to a lot of people, as long as the market space isn’t crushed by anti-competitive buisness practices)
The bigger issue at hand here is negotiating fair API uses for instances and their admins, who also need to eat, and make the apps possible too.
More options is better for the community
Hahaha so true
-Posted from Sync™️ for Lemmy
Good day to you fellow Sync user. I also concur.
The developer works full time for the app, even when it was a Reddit client. If you guys can’t view an ad every once in a while to support something you use daily, then delete your Lemmy account. Nobody eats for free.
Imagine defending advertisements.
Sorry, but I’m not a fucking product. I don’t care who’s pushing them.
I agree. That’s why I pay for apps and services that are well designed and supported. The “free” mentality always leads to advertisements being pushed into everyone’s face.
Without financial support, most Lemmy instances wouldn’t exist. I’d rather support apps that have free versions with premium subscriptions, or donation models, but it’s all the same thing to me. I want to go back to world where we just pay for stuff.
Lol that world was shit. I never payed for Vim so I’m not sure what you are on about. Free software is superior.
Then pay for the software?
…or just pay 19 dollars to support the dev and get rid of the ads
Why would I do that? I can use a Foss client and get 0 ads.
For more features and customizable UI probably.
the existing apps have all the feature and customization i need
Understandable. Voyager and Thunder are pretty good.
Have you actually tried Sync? It has significantly better UX than the alternatives currently, and the feature list is unparalleled (I’ve really missed being able to filter out specific users or communities from my feeds).
yes i did, i dont see anything thats worth moving from liftoff or infinity. for sure nothing worth paying for…
Having used them all, Sync is already well worth the 20$ to remove the ads imo
The sheer level of customizability and polish isn’t even comparable.
Yea down with sync!
-posted with Sync for Lemmy-
You gonna do that iPhone crap now just because of $tync?
Holy shit my dude, you are really mad about this.
I wouldn’t if the dev gave me some attention.
And you think throwing a tantrum all morning and calling people names is a good way to get attention?
Why would the dev give you attention specifically? Like who the fuck are you? Delusional.
- EremesZorn ( @EremesZorn@beehaw.org ) 3•2 years ago
That’s the most entitled comment I’ve seen in a while.
I’m sure you have a good reason to be frustrated, but come on now.