- zcd ( @zcd@lemmy.ca ) 38•1 year ago
Every day we stray further from jod
- Semi-Hemi-Demigod ( @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ) 32•1 year ago
Yiff
wait no
- zcd ( @zcd@lemmy.ca ) 10•1 year ago
Unless…?
- bquintb ( @bquintb@midwest.social ) English4•1 year ago
In hell!
- nilloc ( @nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de ) English3•1 year ago
Hiff
- kek_w_lol ( @kek_w_lol@lemmy.one ) 22•1 year ago
Yiff
- Zelaf ( @Zelaf@sopuli.xyz ) 3•1 year ago
No.
- Player2 ( @Player2@sopuli.xyz ) 18•1 year ago
Yiff obviously
- moonleay ( @moonleay@feddit.de ) 18•1 year ago
gif. With a hard g, because there is also .jiff and you could not distinguish otherwise.
- jeremyparker ( @jeremyparker@programming.dev ) 9•1 year ago
The fact that this conversation exists is proof that the word is intuitively pronounced with a hard G.
The only reason to pronounce it like a J if because the creator liked it - and the reason he liked it was literally because of the (copyright-infringing) similarity to the peanut butter.
He made a huge contribution to the Internet by creating the format, and he deserves it gratitude. Mispronouncing gif is not the best approach to that.
- ILikeBoobies ( @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ) 5•1 year ago
You realize there are other words people pronounce incorrectly just because they’ve only ever read it right?
- jeremyparker ( @jeremyparker@programming.dev ) 8•1 year ago
Pronunciation of words is decided by consensus - and while of course people mispronounce things, what that means is, they pronounce it differently from the accepted cultural norm.
We don’t get all in a knot because Americans prove things differently from British people - even though they originally set the rules for English. And we don’t pronounce things the way we do because George Washington (being analogous to wilhite (or whatever his name was)) told us to; we pronounce things as we do because of cultural consensus.
Wilhite’s intention was literally to use the name recognition of the peanut butter to further his own success - which, like, who cares - but the simple fact that he made that decision (and to be clear, regardless of our opinion on copyright, is a bad way to make the decision) strongly implies that he was aware that his pronunciation was unnatural.
The fact that this conversation even comes up is proof that culturally we reject wilhite’s pronunciation. It’s a lost battle - the only reason I get involved in these threads is because I have a hard time watching the same 3 talking points (on both sides) and the same 3 rebuttals - all of which attempt seem to use facts and logic to determine “correct” pronunciation - when the truth is, the pronunciation has already been decided, and soft-G pronounces deserve to understand it.
- ILikeBoobies ( @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ) 2•1 year ago
The conversation exists to correct people who only ever read it, not because people reject the pronunciation rather they are unaware of it
- jeremyparker ( @jeremyparker@programming.dev ) 3•1 year ago
So your argument is actually that people who pronounce it with a hard G have just never heard anyone say it.
And we’re taking about dot-g-i-f, the format that is hugely shared as memes and as reactions in chats, a form so well known that it’s at Kleenex level of awareness - awareness that exceeds itself - ie, all other variants of this format (apng, animated webp, even webm) are called gifs.
And you’re saying that most people, which is, given the prevalence of gifs, probably most of our species at this point - most of the sentient life forms in our solar system are aware of this format’s name… But we’ve just never heard anyone say it. Except for a small, vocal minority - who exist mostly on the Internet and are deeply online. Those are the only people who have heard it said out loud.
And, in that impossible scenario, most of our species - who have, again, never heard it said it loud - billions of people - all, independently, came up with the same, supposedly incorrect, pronunciation.
That’s your argument? I feel like your case would be stronger without it.
It’s like intentionally taking a Principal Skinner stance - everyone else on earth is wrong. Except, at least Skinner was oblivious.
There’s simply no justification for the jif pronunciation. There’s an explanation - ie, because the creator of the format wanted to float his success on the back of a peanut butter brand. And it didn’t even work - no one calls it “jif” and yet it’s probably got better name recognition than the peanut butter. But - even as weak as that explanation is, an explanation is not a justification. A justified pronunciation - even if it’s different from the original pronunciation, is one people natively come up with, and yet is always the same.
- ILikeBoobies ( @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ) 2•1 year ago
The ones that have heard it pronounce it jif
I don’t see why you’re so insistent on being wrong
- ursakhiin ( @ursakhiin@beehaw.org ) 3•1 year ago
On the slim chance you’re arguing in good faith and are just unaware. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_GIF
A number of analysis have been done on this subject. Polling showed that more people pronounce with a hard g. Most dictionaries list a hard g as the primary pronunciation. More words that begin with gi use the hard g.
When I hear someone mispronounce gif as jif, I tend to know exactly what type of person they are.
- jeremyparker ( @jeremyparker@programming.dev ) 1•1 year ago
It’s the children who are wrong, all three billion of them. The only ones who are right are me and my friends. We don’t have any justification or valid argument, we’re just right because we say we are.
That’s you. That’s what you sound like.
- SwampYankee ( @SwampYankee@mander.xyz ) 3•1 year ago
I had literally never heard a single person pronounce it with a hard G, through middle school and high school graphic design classes, through an entire web development degree, until 2015 when HelloGeneric made that stupid video.
- UnexampledSalt ( @UnexampledSalt@lemmy.ko4abp.com ) 2•1 year ago
Its actually a rule of the English language that g followed by i is a soft g.
- WigglyTortoise ( @WigglyTortoise@discuss.tchncs.de ) 5•1 year ago
Give? Gift? Gills? Girl? Giddy?
- UnexampledSalt ( @UnexampledSalt@lemmy.ko4abp.com ) 1•1 year ago
Every rule in English has exceptions, but when we make a new word should it follow the rule, or be an exception?
- jeremyparker ( @jeremyparker@programming.dev ) 4•1 year ago
Except in gift which is the linguistically closest word to gif
Also, don’t misunderstand English: as the hybrid of two very different language sources (Germanic and Latin - among many others since), there are basically no rules that don’t have exceptions.
- SwampYankee ( @SwampYankee@mander.xyz ) 4•1 year ago
gift which is the linguistically closest word to gif
gin
- jeremyparker ( @jeremyparker@programming.dev ) 4•1 year ago
Gin is closer to gif than gift?
- Illiterate Domine ( @IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub ) English3•1 year ago
git
- ILikeBoobies ( @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ) 2•1 year ago
Like giraffe, gist, and magic
- jeremyparker ( @jeremyparker@programming.dev ) 2•1 year ago
Is that supposed to be an argument? That there are two ways to pronounce the letter g? I was actually already aware of that - even before I’d ever heard of gifs.
- UnexampledSalt ( @UnexampledSalt@lemmy.ko4abp.com ) 1•1 year ago
The argument is that words starting with g followed by i are most often soft g.
- Destide ( @sirico@feddit.uk ) English13•1 year ago
It’s not jraphics interchange format
- vrighter ( @vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de ) 20•1 year ago
neither do divers use “self contained OOnderwater breathing apparatus”, usually written as SCUBA.
Nor do we say jPHeg files.
Nor “north AYYtlantic treaty OHHrganization”
or “light AYYmplification by stimulated emnssion of radiation”
- mild_deviation ( @mild_deviation@programming.dev ) 5•1 year ago
Get the fuck out of here with your logic! We’re not here to be right, we’re here to win!
- Squirrel ( @Squirrel@thelemmy.club ) English4•1 year ago
Right, because that totally applies to all other acronyms.
- 10_0 ( @10_0@lemmy.ml ) 13•1 year ago
Yiff obv
- blindbunny ( @blindbunny@lemmy.ml ) English3•1 year ago
👑
- Pfnic ( @Pfnic@feddit.ch ) 10•1 year ago
I hate this argument so I’m going tip start pronouncing it like the Dutch G or the Spanish J and you won’t be able to tell which it is because I speak neither language.
- Fred ( @fred@lemdro.id ) English10•1 year ago
Gif as in Gift
- Provoked Gamer ( @ProvokedGamer@lemmy.ca ) 2•1 year ago
So a “J” sound like in gift?
- bonfire921 ( @bonfire921@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English7•1 year ago
xif, to be inclusive
- Bob Smith ( @bismuthbob@sopuli.xyz ) 7•1 year ago
I pronounce it ‘yiff’.
- BolexForSoup ( @BolexForSoup@kbin.social ) 7•1 year ago
Gif. Obviously.
- Carlos Solís ( @csolisr@communities.azkware.net ) English7•1 year ago
Or you can pronounce it “heef” as in Spanish, just saying
- ivanafterall ( @ivanafterall@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
I just read it as it appears, phonetically, like any other word. Gif.
- apotheotic (she/her) ( @apotheotic@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year ago
That approach must create quite a comical result when you read words like “priest” or “social”
But yes, Gif (g like get) is the correct option
- averyminya ( @averyminya@beehaw.org ) 5•1 year ago
Gif like Gus not gif like just