Cleverdawny ( @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee ) 64•9 months agoLaunching rockets at civilians isn’t glorious whether you’re Russian or Palestinian.
callouscomic ( @callouscomic@lemm.ee ) English45•9 months agoOr Israeli
Cleverdawny ( @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee ) 9•9 months agoSure.
Kusimulkku ( @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ) 2•9 months agoI like how you were downvoted for this. No you need to choose a side that you support 100%!!
orphiebaby ( @orphiebaby@lemm.ee ) 2•9 months agoI think maybe a lot of people failed to see that “Sure.” doesn’t necessarily mean sarcasm, and didn’t used to.
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 10•9 months ago
lemm ee and dbzer0 users on their way to passively support whatever evil regime is in power
Kusimulkku ( @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ) 4•9 months agolol
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 3•9 months ago
Maybe you should have checked to see who is hosting this community.
Kusimulkku ( @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ) 3•9 months agoWhy, what does it change about my joke?
TheBlue22 ( @TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 54•9 months agoYou can’t compare these 2 conflicts at all.
dangblingus ( @dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 40•9 months agoHAMAS isn’t Palestine. Israel isn’t Judaism.
Cyclohexane ( @cyclohexane@lemmy.ml ) 10•9 months agoAnd Israel has a history of propping up Hamas. They even admit it.
Digital_man ( @Digital_man@lemmy.one ) English38•9 months agoSimple, Palestinians are brown and have less resources that America wants/needs.
I’m with both Palestinians and Ukrainians.
BirdyBoogleBop ( @BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 2•9 months agoPalestine has oil and gas same with Ukraine.
JokeDeity ( @JokeDeity@lemm.ee ) 32•9 months agoIMO everyone should leave everyone else the fuck alone and stop trying to be modern empires, but come on man, these are VERY different situations.
Titan ( @Titan@beehaw.org ) 31•9 months agoBiden is 100% gonna support “Israel’s right to defend itself”, while they’ve been awfully quiet when Palestani people are getting murdered and their infrastructure decimated 🫣🤫
Fucking fascists
wabafee ( @wabafee@lemm.ee ) 29•9 months agoBoth suck to be fair but Israel for me suck less. My reasoning mostly stem on their Ideology. Israel leans more to the US. Israel though recently leaning more to the extreme right, is still liberal compared to the rest of the nations in middle east. Woman has more freedom under Israel it seems. LGBT is more supported in Israel. For Hamas on the other hand has the same vibe for me with Taliban it doesn’t help that it is supported by Iran and Russia. As for Ukraine I support them since they lean more to the West (EU and the US) and they are more democratic than Russia. That’s my thought anyway.
Jack. ( @jackmarxist@lemmy.ml ) 23•9 months agoSo you support Israel committing genocide in Palestine because they lean west. Way to go lil bro
wabafee ( @wabafee@lemm.ee ) 6•9 months agoCurious, Tell me why should I support the Hamas instead?
Jack. ( @jackmarxist@lemmy.ml ) 3•9 months agoYou should not. But you should see the conditions under which Hamas has formed and how the Occupiers are at fault for this. The greater Palestinian cause is far more in the moral right than Israel has ever been.
wabafee ( @wabafee@lemm.ee ) 1•9 months agoThanks appreciate the answer.
Recant ( @Recant@beehaw.org ) 3•9 months agoEmotional responses don’t lead to any solutions. Only reason will create a peaceful two state solution.
Jack. ( @jackmarxist@lemmy.ml ) 4•9 months agoThe Victims should never bargain with the invaders. Slava Ukraini Slava Palestini.
Recant ( @Recant@beehaw.org ) 1•9 months agoAnd that’s why we will never have peace in the middle east. Both sides argue for violence and both sides only conduct emotional responses.
Empricorn ( @Empricorn@feddit.nl ) 27•9 months agoWarning: Some super-unique hot takes from edgelords here!
Proceed with caution…
Neshura ( @neshura@bookwormstory.social ) English26•9 months agoho boy, here we go again.
At this point in time that conflict has been going on for so long, I have no clue anymore who started it. So all I can do is judge both sides by their current actions without historical justification which, to me, results in fanatical religious fascists fighting fanatical religious fascists with neither side caring for civilian casualties. Not exactly a situation in which I’d support any side tbh.
essell ( @essellburns@beehaw.org ) 26•9 months agoLet’s make a list of all the ways Ukraine is different to Palestine.
We’ll be here a while.
oldGregg ( @oldGregg@lemm.ee ) 20•9 months ago- Ukraine is 7 letters and Palestine is 9
Facebones ( @Facebones@reddthat.com ) 6•9 months agoIlluminati confirmed
iByteABit [he/him] ( @iByteABit@lemm.ee ) 19•9 months agoI love how the upvote/downvote rate is almost 1
Western hypocricy never ceases to amaze
VodkaSolution ( @vodkasolution@feddit.it ) 7•9 months agoYou said “western hypocracy” while I blame ignorance about history as a bigger matter here
sheppard ( @sheppard@feddit.uk ) 17•9 months agoThe Israeli-Palestinian conflict is much more nuanced. Both countries’ current heads of state are kinda like “all this land is my country’s, the other country should not exist.” It’s unclear who is right.
The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other, the other just want it back. Ukraine’s government is not claiming half of Russia.
bdonvr ( @bdonvr@thelemmy.club ) 14•9 months ago“Unclear who is right”
No it’s pretty clear, out with the colonizer government. How is this a question?
Cyclohexane ( @cyclohexane@lemmy.ml ) 4•9 months agoall this land is my country’s, the other country should not exist.
One of those countries is an ethno-religious state that is exclusive of the other. Can you guess which one?
If you are an ethno-religious exclusivist who says “your country shouldn’t exist only mine!” and I am a country that multi-religious, and say “actually my country should be the prevailing one, not your exclusivist one”, you gotta realize those two are massively different, unlike you portray.
The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other
Russia’s original pretext for the war is not about territorial gains. It was supposedly regarding Ukraine’s attack on Donetsk, Luhansk, and ethnic Russian populations in general (such as the Odessa massacre), what they also called “de-nazification” of the Ukrainian government, and Ukraine’s bid to join NATO. This is easily verifiable, but I can provide you a sources on this if you doubt me.
I am not claiming what Russia is saying is true, but it is not what you make it seem to make your argument.
Trainguyrom ( @Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ) English1•9 months agoRussia’s original pretext for the war is not about territorial gains. It was supposedly regarding Ukraine’s attack on Donetsk, Luhansk, and ethnic Russian populations in general (such as the Odessa massacre), what they also called “de-nazification” of the Ukrainian government, and Ukraine’s bid to join NATO. This is easily verifiable, but I can provide you a sources on this if you doubt me.
Is that the line this week? They’ve been moving the goalposts so rapidly they must be on wheels (and better maintained wheels than the Russian army)
The Russian propagandista changed their lines so many times it’s blindingly obvious that there’s no greater good and it was supposed to be a land-grab just like when they invaded and annexed Crimea
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 3•9 months ago
“Lets have some nuance” people on their way to defend Nazi war criminals
BobGnarley ( @BobGnarley@lemm.ee ) 2•6 months agoIts unlcear who is right? Tell me, who lived there first before the US swung its dick around and displaced all of them?
LapGoat ( @LapGoat@pawb.social ) 16•9 months agoidk, from an american perspective, pretty sure the americans that support Ukraine also support Palestine, whereas the americans that support Russia also support Israel.
mostly certain.
gullible ( @gullible@kbin.social ) 16•9 months agoI absolutely cannot keep track of the layers of betrayal and reconciliation. Anyone who tells you that an issue in the Middle East is certain is, at best, benignly unaware. It is utterly unsalvageable on both sides.
bdonvr ( @bdonvr@thelemmy.club ) 9•9 months agopretty sure the americans that support Ukraine also support Palestine
I’d like to see those people square that up with this: https://thelemmy.club/pictrs/image/90177c67-3aa3-4cb6-88cb-72c96b2a441d.jpeg
LapGoat ( @LapGoat@pawb.social ) 7•9 months agoi mean, supporting a country’s current struggle doesn’t equal supporting every view of that country’s leader.
shrug
President_Pyrus ( @President_Pyrus@feddit.dk ) 15•9 months agoTasteless
Palestine needs a state and so does Israel
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 3•9 months ago
Broke: Two-state solution
Woke: One-state solution
Bespoke: Zero-state solution