Context: Chat Control 2.0: EU governments set to approve the end of private messaging and secure encryption
“By making a minor concession EU governments hope to find a majority next week to approve the controversial ‘chat control’ bill. According to the proposed child sexual abuse regulation (CSAR), providers of messengers, e-mail and chat services would be forced to automatically search all private messages and photos for suspicious content and report it to the EU. To find a majority for this unprecedented mass surveillance, the EU Council Presidency proposed Tuesday that the scanners would initially search for previously classified CSAM only, and even less reliable technology to classify unknown imagery or conversations would be reserved to a later stage. The proposed „deal“ will be discussed by ambassadors tomorrow and could be adopted by ministers next week.”
- Lauchmelder ( @Lauchmelder@feddit.de ) Deutsch92•9 months ago
A law like this would violate the rights of all EU citizens. The courts would (should!) strike this law down immediately
- AlteredStateBlob ( @AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social ) 52•9 months ago
I sure hope the courts toss that thing. It would be the single worst violation of peoples privacy since the internet became a thing. It’s incredible that lobbyists and police unions have this much impact on policy creation.
- SummerIsTooWarm ( @SummerIsTooWarm@lemmy.ml ) 10•9 months ago
Almost as if in bourgeoisie democracy other interest groups have more influence in policy making than normal voters
- cheery_coffee ( @cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca ) 3•9 months ago
You know, you might vote in a way that harms children in the future, I think we should just nip that potentiality in the bud…
- Zyratoxx ( @zyratoxx@lemm.ee ) 21•9 months ago
Yeah, just like the “Upload Filters”
Poor Axel Voss showed everyone how much of a media company whore he is just to get his biggest lifetime achievement taken down by the EU court because those filters could result in censorship (something that literally everybody told the supporters would happen)
- SummerIsTooWarm ( @SummerIsTooWarm@lemmy.ml ) 14•9 months ago
The courts very likely will strike something like this down, but the people responsible know this. Court dealings can take years and during this time our privacy gets violated
and some kind of profit is made.And even when this law is declared illegal the existing data will likely be kept, only new collection is stopped (happened in Germany)
- ruination ( @ruination@discuss.tchncs.de ) 4•9 months ago
I wish people who proposes laws and regulations that violates human rights with provable intent to do just that would be fined or imprisoned.
- zzzzzz ( @zzzzzz@lemmy.ml ) 71•9 months ago
This seems to be a general theme. Those arguing loudest for better privacy are really saying “only we should be allowed to invade your privacy”. See: Google, Apple, the EU
- ruination ( @ruination@discuss.tchncs.de ) 11•9 months ago
It’s such a shame though, since as far as I know, the EU have had such an amazing track record. I’d expect no less from big tech, but not the EU.
- MentalEdge ( @MentalEdge@ani.social ) 59•9 months ago
This is a level of bullshit that will straight up make me vote to leave the EU.
Outlawing E2EE should just not be a thing. It just shouldn’t.
- sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@feddit.de ) 40•9 months ago
As if European state governments aren’t also stupid and would come up with this idea.
The EU sucks sometimes but where ever you live in the EU your gov would totally come up with this on their own…
- MentalEdge ( @MentalEdge@ani.social ) 15•9 months ago
Obviously. The point is that it’s the kind of thing that will make me reject the very society I’m living in, and I would change it wholly to avoid this.
If the source was my own government, for the first time in my life, I’d be considering moving to a new country.
- Dra ( @Dra@lemmy.zip ) 23•9 months ago
Well, this is being implemented in the UK separately so I wouldnt be too hasty
- ruination ( @ruination@discuss.tchncs.de ) 6•9 months ago
Honestly, they could at least wait and see what happens in the UK before proposing something similar. They literally have a free guinea pig next door.
- ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 1•9 months ago
Not really surprising, though
- stepanzak ( @stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi ) 52•9 months ago
iT’s fOr yOuR kiDs sAfEtY!!1!1!1! As much as I like being in EU, I hate this and hope it doesn’t pass.
- whoisearth ( @whoisearth@lemmy.ca ) 31•9 months ago
Friendly reminder it’s never about consumer rights. It’s about who is in control of the data.
A question you can all ask yourself. Despite the warts in both who would you rather control your data (you have no choice here. Someone is controlling your data and it is not you)
A. Google, Amazon, Microsoft, etc.
B. Government
You’ll get strong answers either way. Personally I’d rather the government strictly from an accountability perspective but that also warrants governments not electing shitheads which unfortunately the world is leaning towards with these populist right wing politicians gaining favour.
It can be you. It doesn’t have to be Big Corps or Government. It can be federated instances, it can be self-ownership of data, it can be E2E encrypted.
- jlow (he/him) ( @jlow@beehaw.org ) 8•9 months ago
This one is completely about the people who pretend to “care about the children” but coincidentally also sell the software that does the proposed CSAM scanning. It’s a money making-scheme for them. Shit like this makes me lose the last bit of hope I have for democracy (really hard to not put this into quotes by this point … +__+).
- ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 26•9 months ago
We need to collect the list of names of every politican and such who has advocated for this. These humans are dangerous to society, and we need to be on the lookout regarding what are they doing next. We also need to raise awareness about them so that given the chance, they can be removed from positions of power.
- gareins ( @gareins@lemm.ee ) 4•9 months ago
Somebody must have already… anyone did any googling?
- Facebones ( @Facebones@reddthat.com ) 4•9 months ago
Start dumping any and all data of theirs that can be dredged up
i live in the EU, it makes me angry
- jlow (he/him) ( @jlow@beehaw.org ) 15•9 months ago
Learning from the “friends” on the other site of the atlantic!
- Raz ( @Raz@lemm.ee ) 14•9 months ago
What the actual fuck…
- Feydaikin ( @Faydaikin@beehaw.org ) 7•9 months ago
At least they have the courtesy to write it into law.