TheFriendlyArtificer ( @TheFriendlyArtificer@beehaw.org ) 27•7 months ago«Me plugging my ears as I walk by crazy right wing protestors»
“Ahhh! You’re not listening to me! You’re not respecting my freedom of speech! And if you tell your friends that I’m an asshole and to avoid my ramblings, then you hate free speech!”
EmperorHenry ( @EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de ) 5•7 months agoAllowing someone to post mean tweets isn’t like that.
You don’t have to click on their profile. So the metaphor of you having to physically walk past them doesn’t apply. You can choose to not see them if they have a platform online.
What every social media platform is doing is censorship. Anything they don’t agree with, even if it turns out to be right a few years down the line gets removed with no due-process and no oversight, by people that are accountable to no one, that no one knows the names of.
Strykker ( @Strykker@programming.dev ) 23•7 months agoThis isn’t about that though. This is advertiser’s going “we don’t want to advertise on X because Elon promotes content we don’t agree with” and then Elon freaking out because much free speech. Even though no one is blocking or removing what he says, they just no longer want to be associated with it.
EmperorHenry ( @EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de ) 3•7 months agoI think people in general are leaving twitter because it just sucks. Even before StinkyElon bought it, it was getting really shitty.
TheSaneWriter ( @TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com ) English8•7 months agoWhat’s currently happening is that advertisers are pulling their ads from X/Twitter because Elon replied “This is the full truth” to a neonazi posting the Jewish question. I think if this is censorship, it’s a form I agree with. What advertiser wants to be associated with nazis?
Holzkohlen ( @Holzkohlen@feddit.de ) 12•7 months agoThat’s not censorship. That is literally just capitalism. You usually don’t want your brand associated with Nazis, as that can be bad for business. Companies don’t have morals, but they care about money.
EmperorHenry ( @EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de ) 23•7 months agoI haven’t actually seen what he agreed with…did the person he agree with actually say that?
Wes_Dev ( @Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml ) 17•7 months agoI know this is just a meme, but mini rant time here.
“Free speech” literally just means the government can’t arrest, censor, or penalize you for just for the things you express. Of course, there are exceptions for public safety, fraud, etc…
If Musk loses advertising revenue, that is the advertisers exercising their free speech in a free market, and deciding who they associate with.
These crybabies like Musk are upset at having consequences, and throwing a tantrum about their freedom of speech is an intentional red herring and attempt to recontextualize reality so they end up being the victim of some ephemeral bully.
The richest and most powerful people on the planet are not being persecuted.
They are just not used to being called out on their bullshit and are too weak and immature to accept being told they are wrong sometimes.
GreenMario ( @GreenMario@lemm.ee ) 4•7 months agoThey don’t want free speech they want to force your eyes and ears open, strap you to the chair and shout all the things they wanna say to you 24/7 also you’re not allowed to do anything but agree.
umbrella ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 12•7 months agoI mean yeah this guy is some sort of narcissistic of something. You won’t see him self reflecting.
intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 8•7 months agoI read the chain of tweets. I must have missed the “Hitler was right” comment?
Sotuanduso ( @Sotuanduso@lemm.ee ) English4•7 months agoI didn’t. If anyone passing through has a link to it, I’d like to check.
intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 1•7 months agoIf I remember correctly, the Gizmodo story on this thing had a link directly to Musk’s tweet, and from there you can see the conversation he was responding to.
Wanderer ( @Wanderer@lemm.ee ) 1•7 months agoPeople do hate free speech though.
kiranraine ( @kiranraine@reddthat.com ) 56•7 months agoNah free speech means the government won’t stop you. It doesn’t mean we gotta listen to you or give you a platform for the hate whether it’s irl or online. Gotta read that first ammendment a bit more throughly my dude
intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 2•7 months agoSee? You just totally abdicated any responsibility to allow others to speak. Why would you be so concerned with making sure it’s only government which has that responsibility, if you didn’t hate free speech?
_dev_null ( @_dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz ) 22•7 months agoresponsibility to allow others to speak
Yeah not gonna gaslight me, buddy. It’s not my obligation to give anyone a platform for anything. Try again.
intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 1•7 months agoResponsibility can only be taken, not given. So yeah, if you say that’s not your responsibility, then it’s not your responsibility. But choosing not to adopt that responsibility does indeed make you a hater of free speech.
lolcatnip ( @lolcatnip@reddthat.com ) English3•7 months agoI guess I hate free speech, too, because I’m blocking you now. Die mad about it.
intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 1•7 months agoI’m just curious if I can still reply, when you’ve blocked me.
intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 1•7 months agoI probably won’t. I don’t even know who you are.
kiranraine ( @kiranraine@reddthat.com ) 15•7 months agoI don’t hate free speech. There’s just nothing saying I HAVE to listen to someone spewing hate and misinformation. Especially all the hate and misinformation that’s put me in danger for years because of me being queer or neurodivergent.
intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 1•7 months agoThere’s nothing saying I HAVE to listen to someone spewing hate and misinformation
Except for the concept of being open minded. The ethical imperative to face new information that’s not easy to process, so that you can respond to it instead of being blindsided by it.
Free speech is a responsibility held by all members of society, to maintain those channels of communication.
Just like a good general has a responsibility to hear emissaries of his enemy, no matter how bitterly hated that enemy is. There’s nothing that says he HAS to listen to that emissary … other than his responsibility to his troops.
kiranraine ( @kiranraine@reddthat.com ) 6•7 months agoExcept when that is hate towards me for being queer or neurodivergent. I can and will block out hate speech towards me or other minorities that’s not based in reality. There’s a point where I will listen except when vitriol is spewed towards me for no reason. You’re attaching a tolerance to intolerance as if we have to listen to n@!is, racists or bigots just attacking everyone else for no good reason other than fox or Trump telling them so that these minorities are some threat that they’re not.
Wanderer ( @Wanderer@lemm.ee ) 2•7 months agoWhy does a foreign country have the absolute say on a principle/ ideology/ human right whatever you want to call it?
It doesn’t make sense. Are you telling me the ideology of freedom of speech only existed and only continues to exist because it is on a bit of paper written in a far away land?
AVincentInSpace ( @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social ) English34•7 months ago SlopppyEngineer ( @SlopppyEngineer@discuss.tchncs.de ) 10•7 months agoWhen it’s propaganda and misinformation dressing up as free speech, yes.
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