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Sure hope this is how things will go. But I fear the monopoly is already too powerful…
I wonder if at some point it would just make sense to have a split between commercial and non-commerical web. Chrome could become just an app you use to do things like banking and online shopping, while Firefox could be a browser you use to access things like the Fediverse.
Interesting take, never thought of this that way but it seems really realistic the way you put it ! That is already happening with mail where the big mail servers start to “defederate” by straight up denying mail from servers they do not recognize. Maybe the day will come where web servers will just send data to recognized browser (already kind of happening)
But what frighten me is hardware discrimination. In the name of security, I think we may soon come to the point where some servers will discriminate against “non-verified hardware”.
Some people are kind of already living that romance with the Gemini protocol. So, that’s separate from the whole HTTP/HTML web and you need a Gemini browser to access it. The markup language is rather similar to Markdown, so the fanciest tech you have available, are images and ASCII art. Which is pretty hostile to advertising.
As far as I could tell, if you enjoy reading blog posts, this is actually quite a cozy little corner of the internet.
Yeah, Gemini is an interesting experiment and completely agree it’s a very good solution for text based static content. Protocol being restrictive ends up being a feature in this context.
@yogthos @PP44 I’m not sure how old you are, but it wasn’t too long ago that they said the same thing about Microsoft in general and IE specifically (If Irecall correctly IE for Mac was the default browser for like MacOS 8 or 9)
All it takes is someone to be innovative and different. After Netscape opened their code the Mozilla project took off like lightning and by the time I was in College Firefox was the default for most, than Google did Chrome and things where speedier than Firefox and we are where we are, and Firefox seems to be interested primarily being developed from privacy/security focused users. I don’t think there are actually that many people in that space, and that space also has overlap with folks who wouldn’t want to use Firefox due to preferring the type of security provided by the Tor Browser over the Tor Network.
I’m not sure what the next step will be, I feel like current hardware/infrastructure probably means that speed improvements for browsers aren’t going to be the primary driving force for changes in the market here, but someone somewhere will come with an innovative solution to change items.
Let’s hope you are right. I agree that things can change, but I have to admit I’m quite worried.
Also Vivaldi don’t follow the Mv3 and has a inbuild ad- and trackerblocker with the filterlist from uBO and others by default, editable. But Mozilla is also planning to launch somthing similar to Mv3 in the near future. All companies which gain money with advertising companies (Mozilla>Alphabet.inc) hate adblockers.
Mozilla will support the APIs specified in MV3 to allow porting Chrome extensions easily. This does not mean they cannot offer other APIs.
And they have officially stated that they will continue to support the content-blocking API from MV2, for at least as long as there is no appropriate replacement.See the “WebRequest” section here: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-firefox-recap-next-steps/
Specifically, FF will maintain support for blocking WebRequest in MV3. And that means ad blockers can still be injected before content is rendered.
Yo, source please. Does Mozilla even make money off ads?
https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=mozilla.org
https://webbkoll.dataskydd.net/en/results?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmozilla.org
No trackings or third party or Google ads in Brave or Vivaldi. Don’t trust what they say, test it.
If you use Firefox when you visit Mozilla’s website, you don’t get Google Analytics tho.
If you use uBO, but even so, if you have activated the sync function, you sync your data with Mozilla and with this, with Google. Brave don’t have sync, since Google cut Google Sync of for Chromium browsers other than Chrome, Vivaldi has a own sync server since years, encrypted end2end. If you lost your Sync password in Firefox, you can restore it, because Mozilla store your sync password and data, in Vivaldi, if you lose yor password, you lose your data, because not even Vivaldi has other data as your encrypted one. Ther isn’t any recover by mail o othr¡er. The price of privacy. Anyway you see thatusing Firefox or a Chromium no necessary means that one don’t tells Google your activity and the other do it., because it use the same renderer as Chrome.
This is interesting, but it seems pretty irrelevant because I’m reasonably sure those aren’t ads.
Ads are not the problem, the problem is the surveillance advertizing as buisiness model, that means that the company log the userdata and activity to sell it to advertising companies. That is how Mozilla make money, Brave make money with selective adblocking with associate cryptocompanies (I don’t know if this is better), Vivaldi make money with default bookmarks and search engines from sponsors, which pay when the user use these, but the user is free to delete these, if not. Apart by donations and a merch store., they don’t use any ads or trackers.
Again, I don’t know where you get the information from that Mozilla makes money off of surveillance. For many years now, they’ve had the problem that they’re overly reliant on Google, but from the search engine deal, not advertisements. See, for example, this article: https://www.zdnet.com/article/googles-back-its-firefoxs-default-search-engine-again-after-mozilla-ends-yahoo-deal/
They have tried to gain a foothold in advertising to reduce that dependence on Google, but that was always privacy-friendly advertising.
Firefox Sync is end-to-end-encrypted, too. See, for example:
- https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/
- https://github.com/mozilla/fxa-auth-server/wiki/onepw-protocol
They are generally able to recover sync data, because it’s supposed to be synced to one or more Firefox installations (it’s specifically not a backup service). When you request a password reset, they essentially just wipe what they have on their servers and then re-upload the data from your Firefox installations, encrypted with your new password.
@yogthos @peeonyou @leif I wonder what #mozilla did to upset @BowerickWowbagger . On my personal machine I’ve been using Netscape Communicator (now called Mozilla Seamonkey) since like 1997. I still prefer the all in one solution to separate applications for browsing, developing, chat, email and news, even though the majority of the market has followed the IE model of doing only one thing.
Because of Google almost monopoly on the browser market, Firefox might be forced to follow on manifest v3 for compatibility reasons…