• This wasn’t the Democrats being failed, it was the whole country being failed. It wasn’t about voting for the Democrats, it was about voting against Donald Trump, and there was only one way to effectively do that. Everyone who refused to do that got exactly what they voted for with Trump, whatever ends up happening, but rather than accepting that maybe this was the worst option, they’re just posting memes about how everyone didn’t push back against the democrats hard enough, so I doubt it’ll sink in.

      • Do you think continuing the slide into fascism as Capitalism continues to decay is a good thing? If not, how do you plan on stopping it?

        The fact of the matter is that the Democrats ran to the right of Biden in 2020 and committed fully to genocide. They lost the support they had, and they lost enough to lose the popular vote as well as electoral college. This was a massive failure, and if your plan was simply to vote Dem and hope for the best, then it’s clear that your plan A failed. What’s your plan B?

        • What’s your plan B?

          What’s yours? Since letting Trump get elected was apparently Step 1, what’s Step 2? Where are we going now? Come on, fill us in.

          Or, alternately, stop putting words in other peoples’ mouths and consider that what we have now is worse for everyone than the alternative would have been.

          • I didn’t get Trump elected, lol. Even if I wanted to, I couldn’t. The election isn’t a part of any Leftist’s plans.

            The answer is revolution, as it always has been, and that starts with organizing. I’ve even made an introductory Marxist reading list that has gotten several people to read theory, and hopefully join Leftists in organizing. Yes, I did link it at the beginning of this convo, and no, you didn’t click it, otherwise you’d know what my plan is because I spell it out.

            What’s your plan? Endlessly critique on Lemmy and blame voters for the failures of the DNC?

            • I didn’t get Trump elected, lol.

              And this right here is our unresolvable ideological difference. You refuse to consider that by not voting for the better option, you’re partially responsible for what we have now. Good luck with your revolution, I guess. We have nothing else to discuss.

              • You don’t know who I voted for, and it doesn’t matter. I could have voted De La Crúz, Stein, Oliver, Harris, Trump, any of them, and it would not have made a shred of difference, and unlike you, I have planned for that already. You still haven’t told me your plan, so I guess I was right, it really is just to whine on Lemmy and blame voters for the tremendous and historic failure of the Democratic Party to connect even somewhat to the working masses and thus garner support.

                In the future, when Capitalism has decayed further, you’ll likely become radicalized and seek to understand this process, and I’ll be right here.

            • You gonna start a revolution??!? I’m betting you’re trying to get an in on the internet with real revolutionaries who wil act, so you can sell them out to your Führer. NOBODY ENGAGE THIS CUMMUNIST REVOLUTION BS. THESE PEOPLE RIGHT HERE ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR ANYONE’S WELL-BEING. THEY ARE PUSHING IDEALS AND HOPING SOMEONE WILL TAKE THE BAIT AND THE FALL AS THE REAL REVOLUTION COMES EVER NEARER. Yes I’m yelling this right now. HEAR ME!

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            Not letting Democrats run a Nazi candidate was step 1. Liberals failed that.

            Should have pushed back like I did so Genocrats would have changed course before it was too late. Instead Blue MAGA condoned it all and silenced dissent.

            This is the result of capitulating every demand because “But Trump”.

            Ironically “But Trump” is what got you Trump.

          • I think that this is a two part plan if we are to assume that they are Russian accounts undermining the vote. Since they won they now move on to setting up a fake little resistance movement that they can sell out to the dictator when he assumes power.

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          Everyone always talks like defeating Trump in the election is the end-all be-all of the disussion. Voting Democrat and preventing Trump from taking the white house should have been an obvious step. It is not the best outcome for the election, nor is it the end of the ongoing decay of late-stage capitalism into wealth-based fascism, but all this whataboutism and strawmanning Democrat voters as believing Kamala was going to single-handedly save democracy is disingenous. It was never “Plan A”. It was one minor, marginally better compromise in the collective of shit we should be doing.

          • Voting Kamala failed. The Democrats failed to run a campaign that won. That is in the past. What I am saying is that voting Democrat did not work, so I am asking what their plan actually is, if voting Dem wasn’t plan A then what is?

            Leftists already have a plan that isn’t contingent on winning a presidential election. Do liberals?

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              I wouldn’t know. I’m not an American, and not a card-carrying liberal voter on my country.

              What I do know is that this constant othering is how these problems were created in the first place. Spending time and energy building straw men on the Internet is creating enemies, not allies. If you are genuinely dedicated to spreading information and awareness, as your earlier post suggests, making assumptions and jumping down people’s throats is hurting your cause, not helping it.

              We are currently in the process of creating a larger divide in left-minded individuals, and I am unbelievably sick of it. As the right rapidly unifys, we seem to be learning nothing.

              • “Othering” is not the cause of problems of polarization, but sharpening of contradictions in decaying Capitalism. Wealth disparity is sky-high and only rapidly climbing. I don’t see how I am “jumping down people’s throats,” I am very clearly saying that since voting Harris didn’t work, there must be another plan, and I’m asking what that plan is.

    • The Democrats can only be failed, they can’t fail, can they? If they lose, it’s the fault of the masses, each individually, and not on the Party running the campaign and trying to connect to its base, is that right?

      The fact of the matter is that Trump was more successful in getting his base to vote, and Harris went against her base by running to the right of Biden in 2020, despite polling telling her it would lead to electoral loss.

      None of us individually made any difference, no matter who we voted, the ones with the ability to change the course of the election are the parties and candidates running for it.

  • These bad faith actors on this post stink of a very specific brand of propaganda and sabotage. Think before you latch onto an idea of a catalyst for revolution. Is America just going to arrive on a beautiful new ideal to change their world into what they would like. “Communist revolution” or any sort of historically guided terminology is almost guaranteed a fake movement guided by dog whistle phrases. They want to sucker you into this so the public can be manipulated with the news of it’s catastrophic results.