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Zerush ( Zerush@lemmy.ml )  to Privacy@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago

Discord Begins Testing Facial Scans for Age Verification

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Discord Begins Testing Facial Scans for Age Verification

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Zerush ( Zerush@lemmy.ml )  to Privacy@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago
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Some countries have passed strict new laws dictating youth access to digital platforms.
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  • InfiniteGlitch ( ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    The moment this becomes an obligation for each person, no matter what, I’ll just quit Discord. I’m tired of stuff like this.

    If people want to do bad stuff, they will find a way no matter what anyway.

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      For a brief moment, I had a a FB/Instagram account for testing purposes. After about a week, Meta started asking to see my face on camera. Needless to say, that experiment hit a brick wall.

      I was just following and liking stuff here and there. Didn’t even post anything, but apparently that was suspicious enough for Meta.

      • Zerush ( Zerush@lemmy.ml ) OP
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        A Trump photo in front of the cam.

        • TranquilTurbulence ( TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ) 
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          They thought of that. It has to be a video and you have to move your head around as if you’re setting up face ID. Not creepy at all. Then again, this is Meta we’re talking about, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise.

          • EngineerGaming ( EngineerGaming@feddit.nl ) 
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            A 3d-printed Trump bust

            • UltraGiGaGigantic ( UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ) 
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              Okay but now you have to explain the disembodied trump head you hide under your bed.

          • ☂️- ( umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 
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      • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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        in my experience liking stupid pages, and political news pages, and sometimes giving various reactions to posts helps. did that for a few weeks last year, but decided that this experimentation does not worth my time

  • Kualdir ( Kualdir@feddit.nl ) 
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    Reminder that we have a european alternative called Revolt we can always switch to!

    Another alternative is Element for chatting and Teamspeak for Calls/Screenshare!

    • dblsaiko ( 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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      Element/Matrix does calls and screen share also by the way!

      (Teamspeak can do screen share? That’s news to me!)

      • Kualdir ( Kualdir@feddit.nl ) 
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        I just checked and indeed it does! Didn’t know that before, although I do think Revolt is more user friendly to non-tech people so will probably be a better choice for people to migrate to.

        Teamspeak 6 released a month or so ago and has Peer2Peer screenshare, it works great!

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          I read that Revolt doesn’t have screen-sharing, which is a deal-breaker for my group. I wonder how well Matrix’s is…

      • Phen ( Phen@lemmy.eco.br ) 
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        Element does it natively? As in, it’s a feature of Element and not some integration with a different tool? I didn’t even expect calls to be a part of the matrix protocol yet.

        • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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          in the past they were using a jitsy integration, they are in the process of migrating to their in-house element call

        • Kualdir ( Kualdir@feddit.nl ) 
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          I haven’t tried it yet but opening Element in browser it does have a call option

    • millie ( millie@beehaw.org ) 
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      Element really needs to get push to talk. It’s an incredibly basic feature to be missing, and for me personally and I’m sure others the lack of it is a deal breaker.

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    insane

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    Need alternatives to have built-in, easy to use screenshare with audio. And of course great noise filtering on voice chats.

  • /home/pineapplelover ( pineapplelover@lemm.ee ) 
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    The downfall of discord

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    Element is a good alternative, OpenSource and federated

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    And just like that I uninstalled the app, never to login again. It wasn’t that important for me anyway.

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      A lot of games and mods use Discord almost exclusively for their discussions, but I always found Discord groups hard to follow. So much random talk among a few bits of good information.

      • Sir_Kevin ( Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        Steam community boards are underrated.

    • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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      consider requesting a GDPR data request, and when that’s completed a GDPR data deletion. the former mostly to have a backup for you, you can skip it if you don’t find it important

  • Ledericas ( Ledericas@lemm.ee ) 
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    facebook does the same thing, except also requires a photo ID too. it seems alot right wingers have migrated to these 2 platforms so they can control narratives better, better off staying away from these platforms.

  • IngeniousRocks (They/She)  ( ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    I have a privacy news channel on my discord server because I’m desperately trying to get my folks to switch to Matrix, it hasn’t happened yet but maybe it will now.

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    • Communist ( communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ) 
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      Element x is pretty solid but not perfect, matrix-rust-sdk needs to have desktop clients, servers need to support all the new stuff, I give element 5 years before it’s a top tier messenger

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    The app will ask users to scan their face through a computer or smartphone webcam; alternatively, they can scan a driver’s license or other form of ID.

    comes in response to laws passed in those countries that place guardrails on youth access to online platforms.

    Personally this sounds pretty reasonable. I don’t want young children on there. Any expectation of anonymity on Discord, a social network, is not warranted. Ask any number of users who’ve been prosecuted based on evidence turned over by Discord. It’s also US-based

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      I mean. . . It should be up to the parents to protect and educate their children. It is very easy to set up protections on a computer to either not let them use discord or to not allow them to install it.

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        That’s a false dichotomy. Parents can and should protect children. Social media sites can and should protect children. It’s in the social interest. Parents don’t have control over every device a child has access to. Firewalls at schools and libraries are often lackluster

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          Personally I won’t use a site that wants to scan my face. My computer doesn’t even have a camera.

          I am also not going to upload a scan of my ID. We are on Lemmy for goodness sake. Clearly I care at least a little bit about my privacy.

          It seems to me that there is no good way to ensure that children are kept away from content they shouldn’t have access to without serious privacy concerns.

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      I feel like we need a less invasive form of age verification or we need actual data privacy laws in the US with some teeth. As it is right now it’s basically a guarantee that your ID and facial data will be in a breach eventually. Seems like every site will require this once it starts.

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        I feel like we need a less invasive form of age verification

        Yep. Probably a billion dollar idea if you can execute it properly. These laws are spurring competition

        I think most peoples’ facial data is already for sale and breachable/leakable

    • ShrimpCurler ( ShrimpCurler@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      Why shouldn’t young children be able to use Discord? I have kids and want them to be able to use it to chat while they play games with friends and with me.

      I’ll try to keep them to only chatting with people they know until I think they’re mature enough.

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        I have kids too. I’m not singling out Discord here, just pointing out they’re trying to follow the law.

        Young kids and social media are inherently a bad mix. Primarily because it promotes antisocial behaviors and they cannot effectively comprehend and consent to the privacy polices and TOS. Hence why adults need to be involved in account creation.

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        Correct, I don’t really want 12-year-olds commenting here either. Do you? Genuine question

        Though Lemmy instances are largely public. You don’t need an account to view their contents. So that’s pretty different from Discord

        For the record, I do think the laws will apply to Lemmy instances

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            Interesting. I think most users would assume they’re talking to other adults and might change their language or behavior if they thought they were conversing with children

            Age is anything but arbitrary from a law perspective. With these laws there is no expectation of privacy in regards to age. I’d argue there never was, it was just poorly enforced and got normalized

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      the creators of the laws requiring said guardrails should be held personally accountable for every piece of information that gets leaked as a result of their bs “think of the children” arguments.

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    • ShrimpCurler ( ShrimpCurler@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      I don’t remember it like that at all. I saw lots of complaints about the privacy impacts and how ineffective it would be.

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    I quit discord a year ago for Matrix or XMPP. never looked back.

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    I cant even get in my discord because I never get the verification email. Each time I have to contact customer support. F that platform.

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