If only something more than Pixels was supported.
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We will probably get GTA VI first.
Maybe even Star Citizen!
Blame literally every other hardware manufacturer for not implementing encryption enclaves correctly.
Oh yes the magical security black box that is 100% trust worthy! Surely nothing can ever wrong!
GOS just partnered up with Motorola/Lenovo a couple days ago.
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I initially considered that, but in the end I just bit the bullet and got one 2 weeks ago.
My thought is with the current trend of PC hardware prices, I didn’t want to wait to see how it affects phone prices.
At the same time, I do not know if the collaborative phone between GOS and the manufacturer will be something I like. The current Pixel 10 phone is already bigger than what I ultimately prefer and I think it’s more probable the new phone will be phablet sized.
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will be phablet sized
Already is… but it is what it is. Welcome to gOS, we don’t have cookies ;}
by using a Pixel…
Break free from Google! By buying a Google phone…
That’s precisely my biggest problem with GrapheneOS
This betrays a deep level of tech illiteracy
Not knowing you can buy used/refurbished betrays a deep level of real life illiteracy
I know you can buy used and refurbished actually, that’s how I got my pixel. It’s still buying a Google phone. It still breaks free from Google. You have now reached the point of just regular old illiteracy I guess
Break free from Google by giving your money to Google!
Refurbished is a thing. So is
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Doesn’t matter if it’s at the beginning or end of the pipeline. It’s feeding the demand.
I have a second hand Pixel for GrapheneOS to compromise without being compromised. Was degoogled with Lineage for many years, but it was becoming too much of a problem. I’m not happy owning literally a Google phone. Felt I had no choice.
Really, regulators are needed to sort this out. Consumer choice doesn’t work with dualopy.
Ideally we’ll eventually switch to a Mobile Linux OS in the future, such as postmarketOS, as that would not be beholden to corporate decisions like Android is with Google.
Which phone works completely on postmarketos? Looks like only librem5, which are expensive, especially for the spec.
No Linux OS currently supports many models of phones, and the ones it does support, it is still quite janky and not ready for a general audience (calling is often flakey, phone apps are pretty glitchy, etc). The best we can do at the moment is either donate toward those projects with either money or code (if someone is able to) to help get more hands on it to polish it up and expand support for more phones.
GrapheneOS is currently the only really polished privacy respecting mobile option that the average user can realistically adopt.
I bought mine from Telus … so i would think Telus gave them the money a long time ago for said phone and i’m just giving Telus back their money … now i’m not giving money or data to anyone.
Break free from Google with buying Google product? Lol
Ironic but true
Meh, there are better phones that actually support an open source community.
Fairphone with e/os has been working pretty awesome for me.
e/OS is fantastic, IodeOS also IMO, plenty good choices. LineageOS with rethinkDNS in whitelist only mode is also amazing
And for extra goodness supporting open source apps without trackers
All without handing yet more $$$ to nasty google, imagine that
There’s no reason not to buy a second hand Pixel.
other than a burning hatred for google that prevents you from participating in keeping the resale market high. lol
Have never looked back since i switched to gos… just buy a refurbed pixel to avoid giving big G ya monry.
Remember, though, in less than 200 days google kills all “sideloading.” It seriously fucks with gos, and they have hinted they will eventually disable flashing custom roms
TL;DR The above commenter is spreading FUD. GOS will work fine and allow sideloading.
Stop spreading FUD. Google kills sideloading on Google certified ROMs. Being Google certified doesn’t mean you have more features than ROMs which aren’t certified. Only Google certified ROMs lose the ability to sideload and have to adhere to all Google Play policies. Meaning GOS loses its certified status but doesn’t lose the ability to sideload. The only way in which GOS might be coerced to disable sideloading is if Google pushes these changes upstream to the AOSP and even then forking is always an option. Also when has Google ever hinted at disabling flashing custom ROMs? It might be right down their alley but I wouldn’t make such claims without citing sources.
Just as a side note: Android ≠ AOSP. This is relevant as many people misunderstand the news they read. When Google changes Android (Google’s proprietary AOSP “distro”) it doesn’t necessarily mean that changes are coming to the AOSP or GOS which is also an AOSP “distro”.
Reading through this forum thread is recommended.
Im not trying to “spread fud.” The state of 3rd party software on android is where it is. Google is introducing a high friction system for unverified apps that includes fees paid directly to google, and is not releasing to aosp in advance at all… this potentially means things like f droid and aurora cant operate. It doesnt mean that gos wont “allow” sideloading, but that you wont have alternatives to load. It also means you will have to increasingly be limited to sandboxed google play, with more barriers to overcome to make those apps work on non-android. https://www.androidauthority.com/android-changes-third-party-app-stores-3613409/
Wish i could find where i read that google was planning to eliminate bootloader access… they walked it back in the end after expected uproar. Ultimately, the pressure from ‘verified by google’ and the changes to AOSP are enough pressure to push out ROMS as it is…
https://www.androidauthority.com/android-rom-calyxos-support-freeze-google-blame-3590268/
Anyway, listen. I LOVE graphene. Everyone should use it, BECAUSE google is demonstrably a band of fuckwits. Im not trying to dissuade but inform. I am excited for an announcement about who theyre working with when they say their future is a phone made in connjunction with a “major OEM” maker. https://www.androidheadlines.com/2025/10/grapheneos-may-break-pixel-exclusivity-with-a-new-phone-in-2026.html
I don’t doubt that in the future Google will kill off the AOSP and disable installing custom ROMs like Apple does. But it just isn’t accurate to say that in 200 days sideloading on GOS won’t work or that Google disabling sideloading on their ROM even affects GOS in any way.
Fairphone 6. Google can suck it. As long as people support the company, competition is coming. Hopefully, they have the resources to keep on going after Google shits on everyone.
Gah. I was really torn between replacing my broken Pixel with another Pixel+GOS or buying a Fairphone 6…
I ended up going with the Fairphone 6 cuz I want to support other players. I’m not completely off Google, but I keep moving away where I can.
I wish Fairphone and Graphene were friends… :/
Did the same. I don’t want a Pixel (especially with the 10s being so AI focused) and I’m not convinced Google wouldn’t have a backdoor in their phones anyway. So the choice was wait and see what Graphene’s new phone is gonna be or grab a Fairphone now.
If fairphone had the hardware support and kept up with modern android versions, GOS would have no beef.
I don’t have any issues. I also deleted MicroG so have 0% google nonsense. If I need to make a transaction, I have a Linux laptop for that. One could get a FF6 and still make transaction with MicroG.
I wish Graphene was friends with anyone else but stupid Google.
When I started my degoogle process some time back & researching options I literally laughed at loud at myself. Am I seriously going to hand over yet more money to the very beast I am trying to get away from? Talk about instant compromise of values
Years later, extremely proud of that decision. Just a non starter. Buying second hand also creates a market value for selling more google crap
what phone did you buy then and how did you get rid of and or block google play services?
Graphene coming with OEM phones other than pixel so it will solve those issues
I understand the complexity of supporting different hardware, but i cannot take this thing seriously while it only runs on google pixel phones.
A while ago they announced they were planning a collaboration with a big phone brand
Thanks, I plan on doing this when my phone dies. Just some questions:
A computer with a Chromium-based browser (e.g., Google Chrome, Brave, Microsoft Edge, Vivaldi?). Unfortunately, I must recommend Windows 10/11 here, because then you don’t have to mess around with any drivers; it’s the simplest option.
This is the first I’ve read this, how much of a pain is it to use Linux instead? I don’t have any Windows computers.
First of all, we need to make sure that our phone’s software is updated to the latest available version. For this purpose, we go to Settings -> System -> System update. If necessary, we update
How is this possible if the previous step skipped SIM and Wifi setup? I assume, if there’s updates, to setup Wifi then proceed?
securing the phone with a fingerprint; I personally am an advocate of this solution…
Recommend not doing this for users in the USA, as police can compel you to unlock biometric locks. Yes, it’s fucked up, that’s what happens when octogenarian fascists run all three branches of your government.
This is the first I’ve read this, how much of a pain is it to use Linux instead? I don’t have any Windows computers.
No issues at all. Not sure what drivers the author was referring to but using the web installer you pretty much just plug the phone in and click through some buttons.
Recently had a similar issue with Via, the app for keyboards. Basically, there was an issue with chrome talking to the hardware…Except some lifesaver recommended plugging my keyboard directly into my machine, bypassing the docking station (the thing causing me issues) and fixing my problem. So I’ve technically still never had a driver issue, only a shitty docking station experience.
GrapheneOS has guides for installing regardless of platform, here’s the relevant page on their official site.
GrapheneOS supports a “duress password” that you can enter to lock up the phone and securely erase any data stored - it’s designed for those situations (so just push that pin in if you’re in that situation).
CLI installation guide is perfect, thank you.
I feel as though having biometrics installed, Face ID and/or fingerprint, kind of defeats the purpose of a privacy OS. Where as pin and a duress pin would be the choice going forward and managing the phones security.
It depends on your threat level.
For daily use the fingerprint sensor is just practical. I use it with a secondary pin, so finger and a short pin hits the right balance of security and convenience for me. If I cross borders or join a protest, biometrics are removed beforehand.
I put grapheneos on my current phone using my previous phone (samsung s22) and a usb c cable. Wasn’t hard at all, just had to follow the prompts.
This is the first I’ve read this, how much of a pain is it to use Linux instead?
I flashed it on my 8a a couple of weeks ago using Chromium on EndeavourOS without issues.
I flashed my pixel to graphene on Linux without any issue. I used an arch based distro and temporarily installed Brave to perform the flash.
Smooth installation here with Vivaldi on Ubuntu (or fedora, not sure as I was distro hoppping a lot at the time)
Linux works broadly across a wide range of hardware, but it’s not 100%. You can ``very easily test hardware compatibility with a Live USB install of most Linux distros. Windows is a way bigger driver pain in the ass if you ask me.
Another reply did the thinking emoji face at biometrics and that’s good. Here’s why it’s worthwhile to never enable biometrics:
You don’t know when you’re going to be compelled to use them and you don’t drill on turning them off.
The whole point of no knock and other police tactics is to prevent you from keeping them from getting what they want. You can’t expect yourself to just never be surprised, that’s ridiculous. Turn biometrics off so getting surprised by the cops doesn’t immediately give them the keys to the castle!
No one drills enough, but let’s say you’re the one person who does drill enough on turning off biometrics: wouldn’t that practice time be better spent with biometrics off, drilling on shutting your phone down so they have to deal with its much more secure Before First Unlock state instead?
Turn off biometrics and practice turning your phone off.
I wonder is this something to actually worry about outside of the US?
In my country police are known to torture people until they sign a confession written by them. So I don’t think disabling biometrics will make a difference. But I’ve still done it.
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Yes it absolutely is.
Every nation has a byzantine system of laws and codes enumerating different ways for police to violate the “rights” that nation has enshrined in law.
One way to avoid compelled speech (a “right” Americans have but other nations citizens might not) is to simply misremember your lock code as many times as it takes to trigger factory reset.
Americans don’t need to know that because they can’t be compelled to enter a passkey, but people in countries with no qualms about compelled speech like Germany would be well served by disabling biometrics so they have the option of lying and taking that hit instead of giving up their privacy.
Do your own research about your jurisdiction, but go ahead and turn off biometrics because it literally makes any group that can control your movement (which in English common law is the basis for the concept of “arrest”, and so likely a situation many different nationalities will face) access to your devices.
FWIW gOS has a duress PIN baked in. Doesn’t stop the rubber hose but at least you can be smug ;}
The duress pin seems like such a cool feature, but I feel like it flies a little too close to the sun.
Misremembering your own pin ten times stretches the limit of credulity, but a lawyer could argue that under the circumstances of enhanced interrogation you weren’t able.
Expressly giving the wrong answer in a place with compelled speech threatens to add a million new legal hurdles to your freedom.
When you fuck it up ten times they’re gonna try to slap you with those charges anyway but at least you have some defense instead of it being an open and shut case of “he’s recorded entering the evidence destruction button when we asked him nicely to instead let us push the evidence retrieval button”
For assange types (and I mean people actively under threat by a nation which has a set of charges it’s investigating or planting evidence for, not people who have leaked documents or share his ideals) it’s a good thing, but anyone not dodging the “if I walk out of the embassy they’ll “find” cp on my phone” bullet it seems like more trouble than it’s worth.
Valid in many cases (hence the rubber hose quip), I was merely responding to above. It does have use as a quick way to burn it all down before any requests are made.
Yeah sorry to hit you with a wall of text.
Between all the people who refuse to use graphene because it’s on pixels and the ones who seem like they haven’t been keeping up with the news or even had any interaction with cops this thread is deeply disturbing and hitting all the buttons that make me wanna say No Don’t Do That!
Who knows, maybe there’s a good case where someone uses the duress and gets away with it. I think assange did once before…
“all laws are local, and no law knows how local it is”, which is to say it on the user to understand their local legal (and political) situation. It’s a big world.
I ran various custom ROM’s for years on a FairPhone3+. It was great right up until the day all my banking apps stopped working. Banking app incompatibility is NOT the fault of GrapheneOS (or any other custom ROM) dev’s at all . . . but IMO this is the real problem today with any alternative mobile OS. Privacy vs. banking convenience. And yes, YMMV as some of them do work . . and mine did as well . . right up until the day they didn’t.
Just use a web browser.
People act like they can’t live without these apps, which are often just a repackaged website anyway.
Nice idea in theory . . . but here in the UK, increasingly customers are being left with little other choice. Between banking apps using push messages to verify credit/debit card transactions, closing of physical branches and requiring authentication via the app to log into the website . . . not using their app is becoming more and more difficult every day.
My bank requires using a card reader for ID if you use a web browser. It can be done but it means carrying three physical things (phone, bank card, bank card reader) instead of one (phone).
So it is a minor inconvenience?
Also it would be an option to switch banks.
My point is that there is an actual difference. It’s not just a repackaged web app, and has actual drawbacks.
My personal plan is to move as much of my day to day stuff to a Mecha Comet, and also carry my Fairphone running Android for whatever proprietary crap that the world wants me to run. It’s two devices, but hopefully will minimize exposure to big tech.
I would use banking through the browser for sure, but to be able to login on the browser i can only receive the pin through the app. not only this ,but everytime i make a purchase online I have to authorize the transaction through the app. There is no other way, they don’t even offer a physical token anymore.
If you don’t mind disclosing, what bank is that?
It’s the Romanian Commercial Bank founded to take over the commercial banking operations of the National Bank of Romania in 1990.
Sounds like it’s time to find a new bank then.
Do banking exclusively through the online portals? For me, if that means using my desktop or a laptop for banking, that’s what I do, because I will not install a banking app on my phone.
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Switch banks. That’s what I did. I had a bank that required an app to use them as well before I decided that I cared about my privacy and wanted more of it. And when I found out that my bank wouldn’t let me do things, I switched banks. Because fuck them.
Generally it’s neobanks that cause the most problems. If you’re using older banks that have been around for quite a long time, they don’t have nearly the technology, so are less likely to have this occur. In the United States, an example of this might be something like Wells Fargo or Discover or something like that, whereas one of these neobanks that would cause problems would be like chime.
Generally, stay away from thin tech and stay with actual banks. You might also look at credit unions. My local credit union is really good, and has a good online website, and has an app as well, but doesn’t require it at all.
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I might make a post about banks that don’t require apps or collect data. Mine is stupid about it if you don’t opt out. I’m so sick of every business normalizing this.
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Nice idea in theory . . . but here in the UK, increasingly customers are being left with little other choice. Between banking apps using push messages to verify credit/debit card transactions, closing of physical branches and requiring authentication via the app to log into the website . . . not using their app is becoming more and more difficult every day.
What services do they have for senior citizens? Because they are the most likely ones to not want to use technology. You can probably piggyback on what they use.
They are offering free classes for seniors to teach them how to use the apps.
Okay, in that case, I would just buy a very cheap second device and have your primary one using a privacy system such as graphene and then use a secondary one that you never turn on except for doing that kind of stuff.
That way, at least your primary system is isolated from the rootkit that is things like Google Play Services.
I was seriously considering getting an over priced pixel phone just so I could get graphene os, but then I discovered, that rooting it is impossible. Pity
I bought a pixel 10 because I wanted face unlock for contactless payments (level 3 biometric).
But from what I’ve read in the past, GrapheneOS doesn’t work with most banking apps let alone payments.
Just tap the card and check your bank account via browser?
We’ve been doing electronic payment and banking without smartphones for decades…
My primary bank is phone only.
I’d fucking switch banks lmao, that’s atrocious.
I’m sorry dawg.
I actually quite like it. The bank is called Monzo and the app is well presented. Support is fast and I hardly ever go to the bank anyway. Post offices play the role for cash and cheque deposits.
It depends on your bank. I have brazilian banks that work perfectly well with tap, they just don’t rely on Google Wallet.
Just use IodeOS, CalyxOS, /e/OS or just LineageOS to break free. Those are available for a many devices. Not only Pixel.
The level of security, of privacy and of granular control of those does not come even close to what GrapheneOS brings to the table. Additionally Iodè and /e/OS have some noise going on with not being private at all. And all of them, except LineageOS (some times) have long delays with security patches.
/e/OS uses OpenAI for voice-to-text. Iodé has closed source components (trust me bro?). What do they claim? “some protection is better than none”. In security that is ridiculous.
Then there is choosing between Microg vs actual sandboxed Google Play Services (which you don’t need to have at all on GrapheneOS if you don’t want to).
/e/OS signs their OS with Google test keys instead of their own keys.
Unconfirmed, but concerning is the claims of ties of those 2 (Iodé and /e/OS) with the French government, not unlike Chinese companies with the CCP.
Choosing LineageOS, or even CalyxOS are options I would consider if I wasn’t willing or able to get a Pixel device, but Iodé and /e/OS are absolute ‘no’ in my book. Too many holes, too pragmatic (and I’m trying to be nice using that word) for my taste.
yes, but you have to use a pixel.
Wao 🤣
GOS is all about security. Priority of IodeOS or CalyxOS is privacy. All the “noise going on” you are talking means nothing without any evidence. LineageOS and IodesOS are releasing every month the security patches for the official supported devices. There are no meaningful delays. Closed source is not bad per se. GOS allows Play Services. MicroG is optional on IodeOS, LineageOS or CalyxOS. You don’t have to use or to install it. /e/OS is the worst of all of them. But still better than Vanilla Android. Claims doesn’t matter only real evidences. And there are non.
Non of these ROMs are perfect. You have to pick the one who fits your needs best. For some its GOS for others it’s IodeOS.
‘not significant’, right.
This table is old. Patches are coming within days after release. I know that, because I have two phones to test all those roms. On IodeOS I got the first beta some days ago for the next march update. They are not slow. They are as secure as vanilla Android from Google. GOS is the paranoid on. Perfect for paranoid people like the developers themself. Only exception is /e/OS. It still is very slow to releas patches or even new Android version.
I’m pretty paranoid myself, so your logic checks out.
Also, break free from RCS and from participating in group chats with anyone you can’t convince to move to another platform.
I daily drive grapheneOS, and wouldn’t go back to iOS or Google-ed Android for anything, but it really sucked having to tell friends, family, and others I couldn’t participate in our old group chats anymore.
EDIT: Apparently, they released a fix over the weekend, as aoude pointed out in another comment. So it’s working for me on AT&T now.
Link to instructions: https://grapheneos.org/usage#rcs
I tried to switch to grapheneOS after my iPhone broke. RCS incompatibility is why I ended up purchasing another refurbished iPhone.
Managed to get my immediate family to try out Signal, but the fact that EXIF data was stripped from photos made it a no-go. We share photos in our group chat very often, and photos saved from Signal having the wrong date/time and no location drove them bonkers.
Outside of immediate family, most of my friends would only communicate through Discord…yeah, no thanks, I’d rather use iMessage lol.
