YouTube might be the biggest challenge yet given the extraordinary amount of storage needed to recreate it.
Its also getting the content creators onto the new platform. Thats a bigger challenge I think, without creators it’s a dead site really, and making videos is significantly more difficult than image or text posting.
For storage, if we assume the format would be WebM at 1080p, 60fps and 20 minutes in length, it turns out to about 1GB. Even a cheap VPS instance usually offer 50GB of storage (with not too expensive storage upgrades).
So if its distributed evenly, we can host a good bit of videos (nothing compared to YouTube though).
Its nearly impossible to replicate what YouTube it is today. The amount of storage and bandwith require is immense, also the creators coming up to a new platform without a way to get money it will really hard to have something like YouTube.
Let’s not forget that there’s money to be earned by being a youtube person. Creating a model that would make this possible in a federated approach would be bonkers as hell and probably just invite predatory dipshits who then lure creators with seemingly good offers and then start to hold them hostage in ways YouTube hasn’t dared so far.
Most professional YouTubers survive primarily off of Patreon support and sponsored videos. YouTube ads provide only a small fraction of what they earn. If they could increase their Patreon or sponsorship income by cross-posting to PeerTube, then they could be enticed to do so. The current issue there is that sponsors are going to want accurate analytics, and PeerTube isn’t going to be able to offer the kind of depth of audience analysis that YouTube can.
The problem is, the cost of hosting videos – both in terms of storage and in terms of bandwidth – is kind of prohibitive. That part needs to be solved.
lure creators with seemingly good offers and then start to hold them hostage in ways YouTube hasn’t dared so far.
Like Smosh?
Young up and coomers, first giants on YouTube. Sold their channel and brand for stock. Then were tied to the company for years who worked them like dogs. Until the company that bought them went bankrupt so their stock was nullified and they in the end sold their company for $0.
I wouldn’t say YouTube was free from it
Young up and coomers
I don’t think that word means what you think it means
Ad reads and patreon
good. i don’t want capitalist advertising bs on the internet anyway.
While I agree in spirit, what other option is there in a capitalist society? Paying a subscription fee for every single service or every single content creator? Not sure people are going to go for that en masse.
So if its distributed evenly, we can host a good bit of videos (nothing compared to YouTube though).
I read 500 hours of content are uploaded to YouTube every minute. Obviously a lot of that is low quality, but we’re still talking a lot of content unless we’re suggesting the creators host it themselves (which could work for a small subset of folks if it were enough of a turnkey solution).
60fps
Correct me if I’m wrong but I would guess that the majority of YouTube videos are at 30fps, right? I only want 60fps for gaming/sports clips
Yeah the majority are 30 I think
Yeah I think most people thinking we can just replace YouTube do not understand the scale of their operation. What YouTube does is many many orders of magnitude bigger and more complex than anything happening on the fediverse. PeerTube is a joke by comparison. There is a reason that even when VC money was flowing like crazy, nobody was able to even think about launching a competitor.
On top of that, no platform can seek to replace YouTube without offering the same or better creator compensation. Free services will never meet that.
I’m not sure what it takes but TILVids doesn’t seem to have a problem loading videos…
You might not get 4k but is that really important?
I wonder if IPFS could have a part in this? We’ll find a solution.
IPFS has been very slow in my experience. Wonder if that could be improved.
I think the more peers there are the faster it is.
Yeah, no. The deaths of those websites have not happened yet, and when they do, the Fediverse will not be the one holding the scythe
Right, it’ll be death by suicides.
Google should probably be on there too. Can’t find anything either non-corporate or irrelevant these days.
I was looking for js libraries that extended the ecma array prototypes, Google gave me a billion pages about how to use the ecma array prototypes.
I can recommend Kagi. Yes, it’ll cost you to use it (but not a lot, eg. I’m on the $10/month plan), but people expecting to get everything for free online is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Interesting idea, but I’m skeptical as to how good this could really be. Do you really find it that much better?
You can try it out for free for 100 searches. Personally I’ve found it very good and much less likely to give bullshit results than Google, and it allows you to adjust site rankings yourself. Their focus on privacy is also great; they don’t need to track users since they don’t have to survive by showing you ads
Thanks! I’ll check it out!
Google isn’t concerned with their search engine right now. ABC is a mega tech conglomerate, the search engine is like a miniscule about to their revenue.
90% chance that if you use DuckDuckGo or Bing, it’s on a chromium browser, which means you very link have a Google account
I guess you missed the first 10 pages of ads. /s
lol reddit is still kicking, people. Don’t count your chickens yet.
Have you used recently?I tried but the quality plummeted
I’m not disagreeing but it’s still kicking. My friend who is on reddit said it was weird for a couple days during the blackout but it’s back to normal now. He also wondered why I didn’t use the official app. Like it or not, most people are like him.
I can’t believe this. The official app is so bad, I am losing faith in humanity.
Even if you get rid of the ads (ReVanced manager is your friend) it still pushes weird content into your timeline. Like, you scroll and there is an interesting post that you want to comment on. Oops, posted 20 days ago. Why would you recommend that to me!?
Yeah he mentioned things like that were happening during the blackout but he said it’s mostly back to normal for him now. He also watches TV and movies with all sorts of ads. For me, that’s an instant pivot to find something else to do. My dad has repeatedly asked me if I want some product he sees in an Instagram ad. I eventually had to tell him to specifically never get me a product he sees in an ad. People on the fediverse aren’t normal. We care a lot about things most people don’t really mind.
Big mainstream subs are shit but they always were. Cool niche communities are the same.
Moreover, killing Youtube will be harder than killing any of these social media. Serving video content is very expensive.
No money to make on the fediverse => no (expensive to create) content.
- patreon
- most people make literal pennies off of youtube, so it wouldn’t be much for them to switch
There is money to be made, just not off ads. Instagram has content without paying people. It just depends on how the creator is financing themselves. Paid sponsorships? Is it in support of something else (Patreon, web store, etc)? There is no money to be made off ads and I support that. But there is money to be made, but you need a following for it to be worthwhile. It’d be interesting if someone created an app that allows dual posting to YouTube and PeerTube, or posting to PixelFed & Instagram at the same time. Once they start getting followers on those other platforms, there are less intrusive methods to monetize it.
I literally have like 1TB of video stored on YouTube and privatized. Google is making $0 from my videos, but they still have to store them and have them available if I want to watch it (it’s all of my Twitch VODs). Meanwhile websites like Streamable perma-delete my 5MB video after it gets 0 views in 2 milliseconds.
YouTube is a behemoth that will not be replaced.
I mean you’re right that YouTube isn’t going anywhere, but they’re going to either delete that data or start charging you for it at some point
I’m shocked they haven’t already. A good 95% of YouTube could be deleted and no one would notice, and would save Google millions and millions of dollars.
They are starting to delete the data associated to Google accounts that have not signed in in several years. This includes their YouTube videos. I have started downloading the videos from creators that have passed that I still wish to watch.
That’s interesting. My girlfriends old cat videos from over a decade ago are still there. She hasn’t logged into the account for years and years.
If they did that, I wouldn’t be able to find a fix for the fuel line getting kinked in my BG86 leaf blower. You know that video with 48 views that exactly solves the problem I am having? Same applies across basically every niche device or mechanical issue and is one of the primary reasons I find myself on youtube.
Fair point! However, your argument is almost more reason for Google to do it.
You find yourself on YouTube for those niche videos, which means you’re the kind of customer YouTube would benefit from getting rid of. A few dozen views from you per year to find niche videos, is not paying them anything, and is wasting a ton of storage. They want people who spend hours upon hours on YouTube per day, essentially replacing TV. Those who spend hours and hours on YouTube, are also generally watching popular videos, or videos that YouTube is recommending, which means a ton of ad views, or even YouTube Premium subscriptions.
I would absolutely be crushed if YouTube deleted all those random niche videos because I just used one last week to fix my car. Some random ass video showing a potential ground wire issue. I am not saying I want Google to do it, I don’t, but I am definitely shocked they aren’t.
Don’t fall into the trap of feeling sympathy for the likes of google.
I pay for premium because I rely on those videos way more than I’m comfortable with.
Finding how to fix a screen issue in my niche 2014 laptop in 2022 was a wild experience.
Yep I have a scheduled task that uploads terabytes worth of empty/noise videos up on to YouTube to take up their hosting space as a final hurrah/middle finger to those corporate fat cats/silicon valley pundits.
I frankly don’t see a way for federated video to happen unless uploads are severely limited or it’s paywalled. Even with YouTube’s wild compression, you’re looking at several gigs for a single 4k video.
Honestly the fact that YouTube exists is a miracle. Video is still just monstrously large.
It’s simple: don’t do 4K. It’s absolutely unneeded.
I’ve never seen any big media content that actually benefits from more than 720p. Among other things, for watching comfortably on laptops. Heck, for most communication / reaction videos, 540p / 480p is more than enough (in those cases the audio is actually more important than the visuals).
I watch a lot of music videos though so I love 4k. Don’t know why you’re getting down voted though. What you said is true. I don’t need to watch a talk stream vod in 4k
Thanks. And it’s understandable, I’m guessing most of the people downvoting are the ones who are trying to defend their sunk cost after having bought into a solution without a problem.
That said, there do are valid use cases for stuff like 1080p or 4K (or for, say, >= 120 fps). I just don’t think modern “big corp” media, or TV shows, are good examples of it. Like, honestly, what do you want to watch Avengers: Endgame in 4K for? To salivate at the warts on The Hulk’s groin?
You’re right on that too. Those movies actually look worse in 4k because low resolutions hide the bad CGI.
I have a large collection of 4k blurays for my favorite movies though. Like Blade Runner 2049 and Dune look fantastic. But not every movie deserves the hard disk space.
I’ve never seen any big media content that actually benefits from more than 720p.
Have you considered seeing an optometrist instead?
I wonder when they’ll have to start deleting content to make space again. At some point, adding more and more servers probably won’t be feasible anymore.
It really is just wild that a service like YouTube is as big as it is and just does its thing.
Well, time to switch to watching Nebula?
I can’t see how it will work for small-time creators though. Or for people who just want to show a video online.
I love nebula too. They’re definitely what I imagine federated video would be though. Restricted uploads, and paid. Nothing wrong with that though, video is expensive.
Well, one question is how it’d be paid for. You can’t really have a federated payment provider, can you?
So would you have to pay for each separate server somehow, gathering them up like streaming service subscriptions?
Someone smarter than me will need to figure that out. I’m a lowly software engineer, not a computer scientist.
Hey, doesn’t mean you can’t aspire to be a systems architect :D
You know, make enough decisions that weren’t perfect in the long term and you’ll learn something! …totally not speaking from experience, no.
You can’t really have a federated payment provider, can you?
Not to sound like a crypto bro, but this is literally the biggest benefit of cryptocurrencies, easy transfer of money between people wallet to wallet, and you can choose your exchange to exchange the money between crypto and cash.
Unfortunately crypto bros absolutely ruined crypto for everything it could’ve been
Yeah, that’s fair.
Is size really the issue though? I can torrent more than I can store on my hard drives.
Seems like you could build a video streaming service on that. (Actually I think some people already did this.)
Yeah it is an issue. I archive my 4k blurays and they chew through my hard drive space far faster than I can get new hard drives
Lbry does exactly this. Actually it works way better than the last time I checked it out. I’m guessing they have invested in a centralized storage solution because I’m encountering basically no missing videos and extremely fast playback which wasn’t the case the last time I checked them out a few years ago
Facebook? New for me
For me too
There’s an alternative to YouTube? There’s a defederated Facebook?
PeerTube, Diaspora.
So for twitter it’s mastodon, for reddit it’s lemmy, for youtube odysee maybe, but what is it for facebook?
but what is it for facebook?
I volunteer my trash can for Facebook, should do a decent job and it already has the smell to match, so we don’t need to waste time implementing that feature
cool, can you dockerize that please, so I can host an instance of “simple@lemmy.mywire.xyz’s trashcan”?
🤣🤣
I feel bad for docker
Can I volunteer my matches. You know patch for comment section.
All is welcome
Mastodon -> Twitter
Friendica -> Facebook
Pixelfed -> Instagram
Lemmy/kbin -> Reddit
PeerTube -> Youtube
Owncast -> Twitch
FunkWhale/Castopod -> Music/Podcast
BookWyrm -> Goodreads
WriteFreely -> Blog
Now if we could somehow get LinkedIn. It will be the last core of evil pro corporatism.
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linkedin wont change cause employers love it
For YouTube it’s PeerTube and for Twitch it’s probably OwnCast
I use friendica
You could also use Hubzilla
Friendica, as others have said. Mobilizon looks good for less of the family-and-friends aspect of the platform.
Odysee/LBRY is just another bit of crypto crap. Another desperate attempt to create an off-ramp for people who have invested in digital trash actually cash out, by bringing in a fresh wave of lesser fools. PeerTube is the fediverse equivalent to YouTube.
TruthSocial 😆
I thought Friedica and Diaspora are similar to the core Facebook stuff. But I have never used them
I guess something like pixelfed or diaspora
Pixelfed is more Instagram.
I have not heard of odyssey and google isn’t giving good results. Can you link it?
Its Odysee, my bad
Thanks!
Reddit also has Kbin which is cross compatible with Lemmy as well. YouTube has PeerTube also. Facebook has Friendica, Diaspora, and Hubzilla. The issue with Facebook is that its much more dependent on specific users. You either want friends or companies from my experiences. So without either of those, there’s a lot less to do. Random feeds of strangers make more sense on the other platforms.
Odysee is also out there
Not a fan of how corporatized it has been getting.
To replace YouTube, the decentralization platform https://odysee.com does a great job
Big channels like Veritasium have been migrating slowly
Odysee is a blockchain-based media platform.
Ah hell no! I’m not even going to touch that with a 10ft pole.
Didn’t LBRY just get shut down?
No, im watching a video on their platform now. LBRY and Odysee are the same thing. i still use the LBRY app though
Not exactly same, content related with terrorism etc are not being showed on odyssey; even though the things odysee are reasonable to ban, I still recommend using lbry
True, its more like another app to access the LBRY content. With a filter of sorts.
even google is having a difficult time hosting video.
Peertube already exist. If you have to upload a video to show someone on the internet it’s already more convenient than youtube as you don’t have to login and access with google accounts.
you can use youtube without a google account?
I don’t think so. Creating accounts on Peertube is much easier as it’s decentralized, some instances won’t care about your data such telephone number
Also, if you make your own instance, you can fully control the data flow.
Instagram is very much dead but can we make it official?
They have over a billion monthly users, so I’m not sure they’re dead. Unless you were being sarcastic.
But… You reminded me I’ve been wanting to look into using PixelFed.
Does it have a native app?
They all appear to be in development, but yes.
What replaced Facebook?
I thought it was instagram