- STUPIDVIPGUY ( @STUPIDVIPGUY@sopuli.xyz ) 71•1 year ago
some people say the party divide in the US is based on gender. which may be true to some degree but really I think the true divide is intelligence
republicans have literally just become the stupid party
(source: my ass)
- 1024_Kibibytes ( @1024_Kibibytes@lemm.ee ) 47•1 year ago
This isn’t just stupid. Anyone over 20 remembers that it wasn’t this hot for this long. This requires that they tell themselves that the heat is for some natural reason.
- Tetsuo ( @Tetsuo@jlai.lu ) 4•1 year ago
Probably could have added :
Source: Fox News
- Riyosha_Namae ( @Riyosha_Namae@reddthat.com ) 1•1 year ago
Or uneducated. Or actively denying reality. Some combination of the three.
- Raisin8659 ( @Raisin8659@monyet.cc ) English44•1 year ago
- catreadingabook ( @catreadingabook@kbin.social ) 42•1 year ago
A sizable portion of the population would convince themselves that the sky is green, if that was their party’s official position.
And a sizable portion of politicians, of a certain moral character, would take the official position that the sky is green if someone paid them enough.
On an unrelated note, I wonder which party is heavily sponsored by the oil and gas industry?
- Honytawk ( @Honytawk@lemmy.zip ) 27•1 year ago
Well, science doesn’t care about their opinions.
Elections do care about their opinions, and elections have consequences. Very serious consequences.
- Revan343 ( @Revan343@lemmy.ca ) 12•1 year ago
Relevant xkcd
- Riyosha_Namae ( @Riyosha_Namae@reddthat.com ) 1•1 year ago
Social science does.
- CIWS-30 ( @CIWS-30@kbin.social ) 24•1 year ago
GOP’s good at brainwashing stupid and / or dysfunctional people. It’s also good at attracting one issue voters who only care about guns, abortion, immigration, low taxes, etc.
Many people (if not most) are not that smart or caring. If you give them the one thing they want, they’ll support you. Many people (if not most) are also bigots, and hate one group or another and you won’t get them to change their minds by any means.
Republicans know this (they have psychological and media experts on their team who are smart, unlike their voting base) and use their knowledge to manipulate people with lies, and it works, just due to how human nature is.
Democrats also know this, which is why they don’t seriously fight Republicans by compromising on some of their principles or also pandering just enough to get elected in purple / weak red areas. It’s honestly just a power sharing agreement to keep things split 50 / 50 so the corpo donors can get what they want done while the average person gets distracted by the very public binary fight these 2 “parties” are always engaging in.
The only real answer is ranked choice voting and the formation of 2 additional parties. One that’s fiscally and environmentally liberal and socially conservative, and another that’s socially liberal, but fiscally liberal, and hopefully environmentally at least moderate.
People forget that most places on the internet are left-leaning or flat out liberal bubbles. Especially FOSS communities like Lemmy / Kbin. If you go out and engage people in real life, it’s easy to quickly realize that people will keep voting in climate denying, polluting jackasses so they can keep their guns, or make sure abortion’s illegal, etc.
Our best hope is young GOP voters who believe in climate change and want to do something about it, because they’re growing up in this world, and will have to live in it too. Hopefully that Hawaii fire made even the rich realize that shit like that could happen to them during their vacation, and it’ll make them give a shit. Anyhow, our best bet is to try to make deals with the next generation of Republicans, and also introduce ranked choice voting which can create parties and coalitions built around compromise and getting things done as opposed to ideological purity tests, which keep losing us the house and / or senate, even if we win the presidency.
- Wage_slave ( @Wage_slave@lemmy.ml ) 23•1 year ago
And when you watched the clown beat the defenseless mime to death you saw it laugh. Then, the clown called the mimes mom’s dirty names, waved a hitler flag and shot the mime. Afterwards calling him a removed and gesturing for his widow to call him later. He then slapped you in the face with a rubber circus dink, called you Ugly Stan and you called him by his first name asking for another.
After all of that, what do you think caused the clown to do such a terrible thing?
GoOp: “I don’t think it was the clown.”
I’d like to point out that this gets weirder when you realize that logically, they’d only ask someone if oil and gas companies are responsible for climate change if the individual previously answered “yes” or “don’t know” to the question, “is global warming occuring”.
- doggle ( @doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 12•1 year ago
That would imply that anyone in the black on those bars either lied at some point, selected the wrong answer by mistake, or straight up didn’t understand the first question…
Spooky
- Kichae ( @Kichae@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
The first question asked about “global warming”, the 2nd uses the phrase “climate change”, and a significant percentage of the population – and particularly Republican voters – is made up of raging morons and brainwashed suckers.
- Honytawk ( @Honytawk@lemmy.zip ) 3•1 year ago
I can see that happening though.
- statist43 ( @statist43@feddit.de ) 1•1 year ago
But then again, do you want to have sb to vote in politics, who doesnt even understand an easy question?
- froghorse ( @froghorse@lemm.ee ) English20•1 year ago
Would you rather conform and be right, or think independently and be wrong?
“The majority is always wrong. Me smart for thinking different 🤓”
- rgb3x3 ( @rgb3x3@beehaw.org ) English9•1 year ago
It’s not even thinking independently though. It’s conforming to the group with the wrong opinion.
- whoisearth ( @whoisearth@lemmy.ca ) 3•1 year ago
1000 flies eat shit. 1000 flies can’t be wrong.
- explodicle ( @explodicle@local106.com ) English5•1 year ago
Be right, regardless of whether or not it’s conforming to anything.
- knorke3 ( @knorke3@lemm.ee ) 20•1 year ago
nore worried about the fact that of those that answered that global warming isn’t occurring, only 50% still think that it doesn’t exist in a different question. did the other 50% just suddenly reconsider?
- fatzgebum ( @fatzgebum@feddit.de ) 5•1 year ago
The other 50% believe in global cooling.
- Zyratoxx ( @zyratoxx@lemm.ee ) 19•1 year ago
They mainly blame it on the sun or they just see it as “natural warming” just the way ice ages have existed.
For example: here’s one of Germany’s leading right wing populists (and inbred nazi descendant wannabe noble) Beatrix von Storch saying: “Well maybe we need to tell the sun to shine less!” when being asked about how to tackle climate change.
- pimeys ( @pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io ) 9•1 year ago
So these people have a choice: they can accept their way of living is a reason for the current catastrophe. They need to stop enjoying cars, that schnitzel mit bratkartoffeln and start building those wind plants also to the south.
Or they can start blaming the refugees and the women with tattoos.
- Zyratoxx ( @zyratoxx@lemm.ee ) 4•1 year ago
+ stop accepting bribe money from fossil fuels companies (or at least use their bribe money to build up wind & solar)
The sad reality is that they allowed dismantling functioning windmills (which RWE is definitely going to rebuild somewhere else *wink *wink) to expand the Garzweiler lignite pit (with lignite being literally the worst type of coal to burn)…
- bitsplease ( @bitsplease@lemmy.ml ) 2•1 year ago
schnitzel mit bratkartoffeln
Is this a joke I’m not getting? How does a german dish contribute to climate change? Or do you just mean meat in general and that was a specific example
Those are just excuses they come up with on the spot because they feel correctly they are being put on the spot when asked about it. All human actions are about avoiding negative social consequences and that’s what they’re actually worried about.
That they think they need to justify themselves offers at least some hope, however.
- Zyratoxx ( @zyratoxx@lemm.ee ) 3•1 year ago
I really think it’s ironic that we are risking the destruction of systems that have been stable for hundreds (or even thousands) of years just to save a system that isn’t even stable enough to handle an Elon Musk tweet
- Riyosha_Namae ( @Riyosha_Namae@reddthat.com ) 1•1 year ago
Does she have a proposal for how to do that?
- Zyratoxx ( @zyratoxx@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
Of course not… Those kinda humans never have proposals.
- jemorgan ( @jemorgan@lemm.ee ) 15•1 year ago
I’ve known a guy for like 20 years, currently in his 60s, who firmly believes that anthropogenic climate change is entirely false.
He has a bachelors degree in physics, a bachelors degree in mathematics, and a Ph.D in economics. He’s written a handful of high level Econ textbooks, he’s worked as a professor off and on at 3 or 4 respected universities here in the US. He was most recently employed at a supply chain consulting firm, making an ungodly amount of money.
By all accounts, he’s an extremely smart, well-educated, well-read guy. But holy shit if that boomer isn’t constantly reposting the most transparently fake anti-science nonsense on his Facebook page. Think, “New research proves that Climate Change is a liberal myth” - The Religious Conservative Storm.
Just demonstrates how it doesn’t matter how educated someone is if they don’t think critically about information that confirms their expectations.
- volvoxvsmarla ( @volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee ) 5•1 year ago
There be people like that. My dad was a professor for applied mathematics at a top level university in Germany, published books etc. Nowadays he works as an indepentdent business consultants and is insanely successful on an international level. And while he does believe climate change is real he is very, uhm, alternative when it comes to health and nutrition. Think fruit juices and nutrition supplements and sun doesn’t cause cancer and “holding a lazer to your heel makes your rotten teeth unrotten” kinda stuff. (Didn’t work.) Watches weird ass youtube videos by “experts”. Me, having a M.Sc. in Nutrition and Biomedicine, I am in no way an expert like these people or himself when it comes to nutrition, health and medicine, according to him. People can be extremely smart and talented in some parts of their lives and be completely bonkers in others.
- jemorgan ( @jemorgan@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
Yeah sounds very similar. And weird coincidence, but the guy I’m talking about is also German. Lives in the US now, but his parents don’t speak English, he came here as a kid I believe.
- volvoxvsmarla ( @volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
My dad isn’t German but he only became obsessed with alt health and nutrition once he moved to Germany… Coincidence? I think not - there must be something in the air here that turns people crazy
- jemorgan ( @jemorgan@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
How weird. My sample size is now 2, I think I’m ready to draw a conclusion and only consider evidence that confirms it going forward.
- volvoxvsmarla ( @volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
That reminds me how my father loves to tell the story of a doctor who wasn’t convinced that sun causes skin cancer so he went to India for a year and didn’t wear sunscreen once and lo and behold he didn’t get cancer so he disproved that sun causes cancer.
Again, my dad is a mathematician. Granted, analytical and computer algebra, not statistics, but dear Lord.
- Appointee4912 ( @Appointee4912@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 4•1 year ago
I have a PhD in particle physics from a top 10 university in the world, and I don’t believe climate change is a problem. And I’m also not interested in discussing it (just so that no one comes with bs talking points, I’ve seen enough). I’m just saying this so that you don’t stumble on your own delusional bubble too much.
You don’t believe in science. You believe in TV. You haven’t read a single peer reviewed paper on the matter, let alone papers that have a different point of view. So spare me your condescending bullshit.
Now go ahead and downvote me so that you can sleep better at night after having excluded me, the infidel. Just remember that many people out there have degrees, educated and read 100 times on the matter than you and disagree with your delusions on the matter. Enjoy four faith in TV.
- T (they/she) ( @Templa@beehaw.org ) 10•1 year ago
I have a PhD in particle physics from a top 10 university in the world, and I don’t believe climate change is a problem
My brother in Christ, you could have stopped here. Your post doesn’t even make an effort to support your argument (no papers, no evidence), you’re only spewing bullshit like you’re better than some people on the internet. Be better.
- Appointee4912 ( @Appointee4912@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•1 year ago
You’re confusing me with someone who gives a shit. I’m not here to argue science.
You’re in a cult. Evidence doesn’t matter. Otherwise you would’ve found the evidence yourself. It’s the same shit I face with religious nut jobs defending their ancient books. So spare me your ideals. You’re all brainwashed and do zero due diligence and have faith in TV and call it science. That’s the current zeitgeist.
- T (they/she) ( @Templa@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
Thank you for the kind words, internet stranger. 🤗🤗
- Celestial6370 ( @Celestial6370@programming.dev ) 7•1 year ago
I have a second question you say there are people who have read 100x more than us. Where is their work? Everything I can find says the climate change is real and it’s human caused.
- Appointee4912 ( @Appointee4912@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•1 year ago
This is proof that you only watch mainstream media and think you know everything. This is the problem. You never even considered researching the opposite opinion, and you think it just doesn’t exist.
And people wonder how censorship makes people more ignorant.
- bermuda ( @bermuda@beehaw.org ) 6•1 year ago
This is proof that you only watch mainstream media and think you know everything
The person you replied to made no such claims and even no implications in their comment. Your ego-maniacal idea that people cannot have differing opinions on things and that they must be less intelligent than you is borderline concerning. You need help.
- Appointee4912 ( @Appointee4912@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•1 year ago
He made that claim exactly, dumbass. He said that everything he finds supports climate change. What’s wrong with you?
- bermuda ( @bermuda@beehaw.org ) 5•1 year ago
You know what? I’m not gonna respect somebody who calls me a dumbass and asks what’s wrong with me over a fucking internet discussion. You can go fuck yourself. I’m just not pursuing anything further when somebody resorts to insults and rage-baiting when somebody dares go against their personal narrative. Think that you’re smarter than everybody else if you want, that just means you’ll get more people like me refusing to engage with you.
- Appointee4912 ( @Appointee4912@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•1 year ago
You too! As if you had “respect” for me in your first message. Learn how to write respectfully then demand respect, dumbass.
- Celestial6370 ( @Celestial6370@programming.dev ) 5•1 year ago
Stop strawmanning my position in your head. The most often anti climate change scientist I saw quoted was Richard Lindzen. Who’s position seems to be CO2 causes global warming but it’s not as bad as most people predict, but his claims have been refuted repeatedly so please show me the sources you are using. They did a study to investigate his iris effect, his claim being this would cool the planet counteracting the CO2, the study found the iris effect would cause further warming. So again if you aren’t just a troll at this point what book or source are you getting this information from?
- pbjamm ( @pbjamm@beehaw.org ) 4•1 year ago
I have argued with otherwise intelligent people who sound exactly like the person above. It is a strange contrarian mentality with no basis in the science as they claim. I once even took up the challenge from someone who said I was afraid to investigate the “other side”. I read every single thing he sent me and they were all rubbish. Not a one of them even support the claims he made. When I responded saying this just fired back that I was brain-washed or carrying water for commies or other such inanities. It became clear after a while that he did not even understand the basics of the greenhouse effect or how CO2 and other gasses cause it. I was utterly flabbergasted.
long story short : the person above may have the degrees they claim but they are not educated on this subject. It is so simple even a layman can understand it so they have no excuse.
- Riyosha_Namae ( @Riyosha_Namae@reddthat.com ) 0•1 year ago
You can’t expect your opponent to do your research for you.
- Celestial6370 ( @Celestial6370@programming.dev ) 5•1 year ago
https://www.nytimes.com/article/climate-change-global-warming-faq.html
https://globalchange.mit.edu/publication/18043
https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/what-is-climate-change
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-to-believe-in-antarctica-rsquo-s-great-ice-debate/
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2019/06/SR15_Full_Report_High_Res.pdf
- Chinzon ( @Chinzon@beehaw.org ) 4•1 year ago
(X) Doubt
- Johanno ( @Johanno@feddit.de ) 4•1 year ago
Since about 1980 experts warn about climate change.
- bermuda ( @bermuda@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
source: my ass
- 0x2d ( @0x2d@lemmy.ml ) 1•1 year ago
I have a PhD in
physicsWolframAlpha - bodgeit ( @vidumec@lemmy.sdf.org ) 1•1 year ago
You can measure community’s IQ by how far down you have to scroll through “dumb republicans, amirite xdxdxd?” before you reach a post like this one. And that guy with gifs in every message is obnoxious as fuck.
- Appointee4912 ( @Appointee4912@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•1 year ago
Check. He’s the cool kid in town!
- deezus ( @deezus@lemmy.one ) 1•1 year ago
Leave alone? X times?
- bigwag1 ( @bigwag1@lemmy.ml ) 4•1 year ago
You’re all responsible. Filthy westerners
- amio ( @amio@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
Aren’t there enough political “humor” communities?
Climate Change isn’t political, it’s a simple fact.
- amio ( @amio@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
You and I both know that. I’m just asking, aren’t there better suited communities? Does everything need to be doom and gloom on a reasonably light-hearted memes community? It isn’t a meme.
- bitsplease ( @bitsplease@lemmy.ml ) 3•1 year ago
I’m just asking, aren’t there better suited communities?
And we’re just answering - nope, this one is perfectly well suited - you can always block OP if you really can’t stand seeing this post on your timeline
It isn’t a meme.
It objectively is - it’s a slightly different take on the “The What” meme
Whether you think the meme is funny is a different matter - but I don’t see how you could argue it’s “not a meme”.
I don’t see why the meme is doom and gloom.
- Riyosha_Namae ( @Riyosha_Namae@reddthat.com ) 0•1 year ago
Given that the Republicans have adopted the stance that it’s not real and/or not our fault, I think it still counts as political. Even if it shouldn’t be.
Oh, so I guess video games are political since “viDeO gAmES cAuSE viOLenCE”. Everything is political, therefore all posts should go to the political community? 🤔