• Neocon/trumpers/racists are coming on various federated lemmy systems. Once there they are posting rando crap and pushing people to ignore the basic requirements most lemmy system admins have setup. No hate, no bigotry, no racism.

      • The alt right runs a playbook that is built on the backbone of their enemies (anti-racists) are effectively addicted to reasonable discussion. They want to believe that everyone is a reasonable good faith actor who can be swayed by a pursuasive well structured argument. The alt right knows this and takes advantage. They do classic troll bait strategies hoping to exhaust their enemies and push them out of the discussion so that they can control the narrative and pipeline more people to the alt right. Their goal is not free speach, reasoned debates. Their goal is bad faith time wasting.

        The playbook is known, and yet people keep getting drawn into these tactics

    •  JshKlsn   ( @JshKlsn@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Probably lemmy.ml, the official instance.

      I know they allow some instances that sole purpose is to hate on liberals, which is annoying to see so many aggressive political posts (any extremest is annoying), but they are easy to block yourself.

      Beehaw is good, but they de-federate EVERYONE. I see posts from the admins there nearly daily talking about new instances they are de-federating from today. They also disabled down-voting, and community creation.

      https://beehaw.org/post/798826?scrollToComments=true

      https://beehaw.org/post/567170?scrollToComments=true

      •  mrmanager   ( @mrmanager@lemmy.today ) 
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        I think it’s awesome that they are disabling downvoting. One of the worst things about reddit was that comments were downvoted and authors deleted their comments because of it. All because of sensitive snowflakes.

        And as for defederation, they have 100% right to do what they want to protect their community. It’s a community that is used to being disliked or hated. It’s a very good thing that they can have their own popular instance on the web without being forced to moderate hateful posts.

        Put it another way, should they be forced to moderate hateful posts so you and I can enjoy seeing their posts? I think we are fine without it, and specially knowing that they are happier this way.

        • Beehaw is lovely and everyone is free to do as they please, but I genuinely think everyone on social medias should be striving for something like what Beehaw is. It’s a pipe dream, but trying to aggressively foster positivity and counter outrage is just good hygiene. Negativity breeds negativity and it’s extremely difficult to keep spaces positive, but I think there’s also a path dependence here that has made the internet so much more toxic than it needs to have been, even off of other social medias which have encouraged that exact toxicity for the ease of clicks. It’s frustrating seeing all the misrepresentations of what beehaw is, out and about, but oh well. Appreciate the levelheaded view on the defederations.

          • So many people seem to be outright angry that Beehaw wants to control what sort of a community they (we!) have. Like federation means that you’re obligated to stay federated with absolutely everyone regardless of what your goals are for your own community, because something something “that’s what the fediverse is”.

            End of the day it’s still instances doing their own thing. Some allow all kinds of… behavior, some don’t. Nobody’s under any obligation to federate with others

        •  SkyNTP   ( @SkyNTP@lemmy.ml ) 
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          The first people to get kicked off of reddit are the shit stains that no one likes. It’s to be expected. Of all the reddit alternatives, the fediverse is the least extreme, IMO.

          Fortunately we are now in the voluntary migration period, but it’s only comfortable for those of us that can stomach the less desirable elements and primitive UX. It’s then up to the rest of us to make the place tolerable for normies, if we choose to do so.