- danielton ( @danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ) 37•9 months ago
I think the point of this post is all the stuff below the email field. Yikes.
- squiblet ( @squiblet@kbin.social ) 27•9 months ago
At least they’re telling you. There’s also a lot of hidden surveillance in stores - they’ve done it with Bluetooth and cameras for some time. Things like monitoring how long you look at products and evaluating your reactions to displays.
- rynzcycle ( @rynzcycle@kbin.social ) 34•9 months ago
That’s why I always introduce a good bit of entropy to my shopping patterns:
-Enter and go straight to produce
-Spend 20 minutes examining eggplants
-Walk up and down 5 aisles pausing exactly the square of the aisle number in seconds.
-Grab a box of tampons
-Grab what I need as quickly as possible
-Return tampons
-Checkout and leaveSomewhere a marketing team is spending hours trying to figure out how to improve the conversion rates for tampons and eggplants for customers in my demo.
- circuscritic ( @circuscritic@lemmy.ca ) 10•9 months ago
Don’t forget to flick and knock on various fruits and vegetables. Randomize how many flicks/knocks per item, and throw in a few on produce items that normally don’t get that kind of test e.g. grapes or potatoes.
- Sabata11792 ( @Sabata11792@kbin.social ) 6•9 months ago
At least they’re telling you.
Now there telling you. They just didn’t ask for consent before.
- squiblet ( @squiblet@kbin.social ) 2•9 months ago
That’s what I mean.
- Zerush ( @Zerush@lemmy.ml ) 27•9 months ago
In the EU they already had a complaint, because it violates GDPR, but in any case I would never use a public WiFi without a VPN, and even less in places with these conditions, there is also free WiFi in some Rstaurants (even in most McDonalds), public Libraries and others. Fuck surveillance advertising
- OfficerBribe ( @OfficerBribe@lemm.ee ) 3•9 months ago
They seem to explain pretty well how your data will be used, why would this violate GDPR?
- Aio ( @Aio@beehaw.org ) 6•9 months ago
I might be wrong but i think it is because they don’t give you the option to opt out and use the wifi.
- OfficerBribe ( @OfficerBribe@lemm.ee ) 2•9 months ago
Should they? I would simply not connect to their Wi-Fi and move on, it’s not like they are obligated to provide you internet.
- XTornado ( @XTornado@lemmy.ml ) 2•9 months ago
I have seen it on Europe… maybe there was some way to circumvent it hidden away, not sure. But you could type a random email and that’s it, like they don’t send anything to confirm the email or anything once you submit you have access to internet.
- Zerush ( @Zerush@lemmy.ml ) 4•9 months ago
Better to send a disposable mail, where yo can receive the log data before it expired.
eg
- https://maildrop.cc
- https://altmails.com
- https://www.disposablemail.com
- https://www.lazyinbox.com/#/
- https://www.guerrillamail.com
etc
- ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( @yournamehere@lemm.ee ) 1•9 months ago
anonbox from ccc
- Resolved3874 ( @Resolved3874@lemdro.id ) English1•9 months ago
Went to a Walmart the other day and my phone automatically connected to a wifi that was apparently hosted by my cell carrier. Immediately turned on my VPN because wtf. I disconnected at first then realized I didn’t have any service at all which was probably why it existed. Thankfully didn’t need to log in but that’s why I have Firefox relay.
- justcoding_de ( @justcoding_de@programming.dev ) 1•9 months ago
Agreed. My iPhone connects to my home VPN via Wireguard as soon as I leave my home WiFi. Has the added benefit of pihole ad filtering everywhere.
- biscuit ( @biscuit@beehaw.org ) 2•9 months ago
Wireguard and PiHole combo is such a blessing.
- el_abuelo ( @el_abuelo@lemmy.ml ) 1•9 months ago
Have you experienced any downsides to using pi hole? Does anything stop working?
- justcoding_de ( @justcoding_de@programming.dev ) 2•9 months ago
Obviously the first ad links in google don’t work any more, which drives the wife crazy ;-) Also nowadays more and more websites complain about me using an adblocker.
But technically, not really any problems at all.
- Darkassassin07 ( @Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca ) English2•9 months ago
In the 6 years I’ve ran mine, I’ve not had any issues and I run a blocklist with over 1 million domains on it.
If I was to run into something that’s blocked that I do want loaded, I can just open the pihole interface and either whitelist the blocked domain or disable blocking for a short time, each with just a couple clicks.
- lud ( @lud@lemm.ee ) 2•9 months ago
I used to before but my family was extremely bothered that they couldn’t click on ad links. If I remember correctly, it’s pretty easy to set up if you want to just try it.
- pazukaza ( @pazukaza@lemmy.ml ) 1•9 months ago
I was about to say… Isn’t using public wifi’s extremely dangerous?
- Zerush ( @Zerush@lemmy.ml ) 2•9 months ago
Yes, because of this using an public WiFi without VPN is a no-go
- CleoTheWizard ( @CleoTheWizard@beehaw.org ) English26•9 months ago
Walmart, the biggest grocery retailer in the entire United States, uses face tracking in the majority of their stores in several sections, and we’re concerned about their Wi-Fi?
The Wi-Fi seems like such a minor problem compared to them collecting massive amounts of data off of something you aren’t consenting to explicitly.
Like you walk into their stores and they can know: How often you visit, what items you buy, what payment method you use most often, what items you looked at and what aisles you visit, who you bring with you, what your kids look like, what disabilities you may have, size of your household, and whatever else they want. There’s basically no respect for any privacy in their stores.
The US is a privacy nightmare in competition with China. Most of the US doesn’t have any option over their privacy. You just don’t get it here.
It’s even worse as an associate. They make us sign up for some social media I never use, download apps on our phones, and make us give them our handprints for a machine to take out our tills. And we’re getting face scanned by cameras all day. Dystopian nightmare and it makes me feel ashamed to have accepted the job here.
I use GOS and therefore believe that I have some level of protection on the WiFi level based off of that, and I have their apps on a separate profile but it’s getting tougher on privacy here at Walmart.
Edit: That’s also why I have no pictures of me in my socials and deleted my Facebook, Instagram, and twitter, so they shouldn’t have too many ways to market to me aside through my debit and credit cards possibly.
- Steve ( @Steve@communick.news ) English1•9 months ago
Revoke the data privileges of the app on your phone. That will effectively neuter it, while you can show them it’s there.
I have all of their apps on a separate profile. One app I do sadly need data for to check my schedule and look up prices of things.
- Polar ( @Polar@lemmy.ca ) 24•9 months ago
Why would anyone interested in privacy connect to any public WiFi? That’s crazy.
- thanevim ( @thanevim@kbin.social ) 10•9 months ago
When you need service, but data is blocked by all the steel in the ceiling/roof. I’ve used it, but with my VPN active. I wonder if they’re now going to try to block VPN services?
- Deleted ( @Deleted@kbin.social ) 23•9 months ago
Why are all you mother fuckers shopping at Walmart. They are a welfare corporation offloading their costs to tax payers because despite making tons of money they pay shit and skirt employee benefits laws by keeping worker hours low and give new employees info on how to get financial aid such as food stamps.
- eee ( @eee@lemm.ee ) 27•9 months ago
This is the most privileged thing you could say.
“Hey, why isn’t everyone eating sustainably sourced GMO-free, organic, locally-grown food all the time?”
Spoiler alert: it costs more
- whofearsthenight ( @whofearsthenight@lemm.ee ) English12•9 months ago
Yeah, this is the thing. Does literally anyone want to go to Walmart? No. Is it the place I can afford? Increasingly, still no. Not sure I can even afford to walk past whatever the good version of a Whole Foods is today, though.
- Psythik ( @Psythik@lemm.ee ) 10•9 months ago
Cause WinCo doesn’t always have what I need, but most importantly:
I’m poor.
- Pigeon ( @Lowbird@beehaw.org ) 9•9 months ago
A lot of people in rural areas find themselves in situations like being 10 minutes from a walmart and an hour from any other option. So then anything besides walmart costs gas and time, on top of the product cost difference to begin with.
Nobody wants to drive extra after 8 hours of shitty minimum wage work and/or taking care of children.
Not like other grocery stores are any good for workers, either.
- nathris ( @nathris@lemmy.ca ) 4•9 months ago
Because all of the other retailers do the same shit only with higher prices. Here in Canada they don’t pay their employees any less than the competition, yet their prices are 30-40% cheaper on average.
That extra 40% doesn’t result in better working conditions for the employees, it goes directly to the shareholders and bonuses for the C-suite.
I respect the hell out of Walmart because they actually keep their price increases tied to inflation and aren’t out there trying to sell a loaf of poverty white bread for $5 or a pack of 4 chicken breasts for $37.
- settinmoon ( @settinmoon@lemmy.ml ) 1•9 months ago
I got some insight from a friend who works at a major supplier for these retail stores in Canada. He said how they manage prices is that when they anticipate a rise in cost they’ll jack the price all the way to a future projected target instead of following the current inflationary rate so that they won’t need to constantly quote their customers different prices. They don’t care because they know it will get passed downstream.
I needed a job, alright. I usually shop at hannaford although it’s expensive. I wanna farm someday.
- onlinepersona ( @onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English23•9 months ago
More like “we were doing this before, but now we have to tell you we are doing it”.
- XTornado ( @XTornado@lemmy.ml ) 15•9 months ago
Not sure about this Walmart case but most you can write any email like random letters a@gmail.com or not even the Gmail part as long as it’s a valid looking mail and then works like you don’t even have to confirm the email or anything.
- /home/pineapplelover ( @pineapplelover@lemm.ee ) 12•9 months ago
Fake email and vpn = Free private connection
- krolden ( @krolden@lemmy.ml ) 7•9 months ago
You dont even have to type a real email it doesn’t verify anything. Just something@somewhere.xxx
- gullible ( @gullible@kbin.social ) 11•9 months ago
Your phone simply being in the store with Wi-Fi enabled makes you personally identifiable. A request for your email when they have your location, shopping habits, taste in electronics, estimated address, browsing habits, and your full appearance isn’t shocking. That no one has pointed this out yet is a bit eye opening.
- ᗪᗩᗰᑎ ( @KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml ) 9•9 months ago
Mac address randomization has been enabled by default since Android 10. I would assume iPhone does something similar.
- gullible ( @gullible@kbin.social ) 2•9 months ago
iOS requires each network to individually be randomized, there’s no singular setting, unfortunately.
- ashtrix ( @ashtrix@lemmy.ca ) 1•9 months ago
That was an interesting read. Didn’t know stores were doing that.
- SeaJ ( @SeaJ@lemm.ee ) 9•9 months ago
You do realize they were almost certainly doing this before, right?
More of shock value of them announcing it and requiring an email now.
- KeenFlame ( @KeenFlame@feddit.nu ) 1•9 months ago
Damn now I have to put in my real email! noooooo I don’t know how to avoid this only real emails work?
I’ve never had this happen before so I didn’t know. I just thought it was interesting how they’re requiring this now though.
- braveone ( @braveone@lemmy.ml ) 2•9 months ago
It’s a good thing they don’t have high resolution cameras tracking everything you look at, or they might know what you were thinking about buying
It’s a good thing I don’t have any socials for them to trace me back to. And since I work there, I’m always looking at shit that will prolly throw them off.
- B1ackmath ( @B1ackmsth@lemmy.ca ) 9•9 months ago
Expecting privacy on someone else’s network is absurd.
- Mio ( @Mio@feddit.nu ) 9•9 months ago
They can track you even if you dont accept. Turn Wifi off. If you connect, use VPN home.
- AnAngryAlpaca ( @AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de ) 8•9 months ago
They can use your wifi signal as a beacon by triangulating the signal strength from at least 3 different points. Then they can figure out in which departments you spend the most time, how long you spend in store, heatmaps, which aisles you skip and generic info like what time you visit, which locations you also shop at.
A quick google for “Retail Wifi tracking” brings up mirame.net , where you can see some of the features.
I would suggest to set your phone to flight mode if you see a “free wifi” sign in your shopping mall.
- RickyRigatoni ( @RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml ) 5•9 months ago
I fucking hate technology, man. I want to go to the 1800’s and give the luddites C4.
- airikr ( @airikr@lemmy.ml ) 8•9 months ago
I am so happy to live in Sweden. All open WiFi networks here are free to use and requires no email or account (VPN recommended as always, though). Even at grocery stores.
- Da_Boom ( @Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi ) English8•9 months ago
Never trust an open network. Even if the company providing isn’t doing anything shady, the easy at which MITM (man in the middle) attacked, can be performed means that many insecure (and some secure) networks can be spoofed with a small amount of know-how.
Always make sure your connecting to a safe, secure wifi network, in a place where you expect that network to exist at.
If your phone connects in a place you wouldn’t expect it to connect, double check what it’s connecting to, and if necessary, disable your wifi.
- Catsrules ( @Catsrules@lemmy.ml ) 1•9 months ago
How would they do man in the middle attacks? Don’t you need to trust their certificate first?
- Da_Boom ( @Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi ) English1•9 months ago
That mechanism only happens after you connect to it, you have to connect to the wifi in order to download the certificate to connect. And it doesn’t apply to all open WI-FI. A someone can still spoof the wifi. The fun part is when they set up their own false “I agree to the usage” pop up page that just steals your data - standardised systems like this are easily spoofed, especially when it comes to open and insecure wifi. They could even send you a bogus certificate that routes all the traffic through their gateway, allowing them to spy on the secure connections.