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  •  NXL   ( @nxlemmy@lemmy.ml ) 
    25•2 years ago

    Am I the only one who thinks chat apps are making the internet kinda worse by locking up useful information behind a system that can’t be indexed\searched through on search engines? I know chatrooms could be odd to have appear on google searches but so many orgs and software projects now use discord etc as their support section so resolving an issue once doesn’t help people in the future searching for the solution.

    with that being said im glad matrix is improving

    EDIT: apparently this is being worked on https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-public-archive thanks @testman@lemmy.ml for linking this. Now they just need to also start working on Threads which im assuming is already on their roadmap

    •  onlooker   ( @onlooker@lemmy.ml ) 
      31•2 years ago

      It’s not chat apps that are making things worse, it’s the various companies and organizations using these apps for support channels instead of easily searchable software like forums.

      •  NXL   ( @nxlemmy@lemmy.ml ) 
        1•2 years ago

        Fair.

        Although it would be nice for discord\matrix to include a server option so they can be indexed by search engines so the companies that use them for support can enable the feature

    •  pingveno   ( @pingveno@lemmy.ml ) 
      5•2 years ago

      It’s a mixed bag. Only having a forum option reduces accessibility some for people who get anxious about putting their communication in a more permanent format. Not everyone wants their n00b questions (we all have them) indexed for all the world to see. That said, it’s good to have a forum-like option that is search engine friendly to avoid repeat questions as much as possible. I remember that the Rust language had some people tasked specifically with curating an up-to-date and comprehensive body of knowledge on Stack Overflow. That apparently has helped people significantly with the learning curve of Rust.

      •  NXL   ( @nxlemmy@lemmy.ml ) 
        1•2 years ago

        but most forums dont even have a Real Name section and people use usernames just like chat apps. i doubt many people dont ask questions on forum because of that I just think the chat apps are more common because they got investments to make their UI\UX super convenient and pretty (which i think because of the fediverse and lemmy especially we now will have the best of both worlds)

        I hope lemmy includes a follow post and follow comment thread feature so we can replace stack overflow with it

      •  hfkldjbuq   ( @hfkldjbuq@beehaw.org ) 
        1•2 years ago

        Not everyone wants their n00b questions (we all have them) indexed for all the world to see.

        Just create a throwaway account? Even experienced developers do that. But i like instant messaging for quick Q&A

    •  Mad   ( @MadScientist@sopuli.xyz ) 
      2•2 years ago

      the beauty with matrix being open-source and decentralized is that anyone can just implement indexability themselves, as someone in the thread has already given an example of

      though i don’t think support servers are a good idea in the first place

    •  sibachian   ( @sibachian@lemmy.ml ) 
      2•2 years ago

      chats are fine. the real problem is facebook groups that replaced traditional forums. i mean, it’s essentially just a simplified discussion board designed around “the flow”, and as thus, is no way to share and distribute information, especially since you can’t really navigate it in a way to find the right answer. so every day it’s the same five questions asked over and over again, and with facebooks rules on trade for non-corporate entities, it’s essentially killing some hobby industries. though, you’re right in that a lot of people have also moved to discord as some kind of forum replacement, and it’s even worse for the purpose of information distribution.

      not that reddit or lemmy are any better. i mean, they suffer the same problem due to the way information is meant to work on them, yet people use them as forum replacements.

      basically, the real problem is that people have abandoned traditional forums and use these convenient platforms as replacements. but it loses a lot of functionality along the way. and it’s a sacrifice that most people just don’t care about due to the convenience.

      •  NXL   ( @nxlemmy@lemmy.ml ) 
        1•2 years ago

        reddit isnt a great replacement but googling anything and adding “reddit” to the end is really useful. I’m not sure how well lemmy gets crawled though. I can’t seem to find anything on lemmy from adding lemmy to the end of a search. Even if I add lemmy.ml “lemmy.ml” or :lemmy.ml :/

      •  hfkldjbuq   ( @hfkldjbuq@beehaw.org ) 
        1•2 years ago

        basically, the real problem is that people have abandoned traditional forums and use these convenient platforms as replacements. but it loses a lot of functionality along the way. and it’s a sacrifice that most people just don’t care about due to the convenience.

        It seems forums are at fault. Something like discourse should be federated. It is such bad usability having to sign up to so much different forums—at this point mailing lists do a better job.

  •  outplayed   ( @hburb3ri@lemmy.ml ) 
    10•2 years ago

    Here I am waiting for the big p2p update as well. I really like the direction Matrix is going. Moderation still needs a lot of work in the short term though, as it’s a pretty big issue currently. Moderation is also extra challenging given it’s decentralized as well.

        •  marmulak   ( @marmulak@lemmy.ml ) 
          7•2 years ago

          What I find convenient about admining a room is that you can easily block users and then automatically delete their message history as well, so since you can undo whatever they do, even if they are able to join and succeed temporarily, in the long term their efforts amount to nothing.

          You also have fine-grained control over permissions so you can even make it like IRC or XMPP where rooms with severe moderation problems can be made so the default role when a user joins does not allow them to send messages until you give them voice, so to speak.

      •  pingveno   ( @pingveno@lemmy.ml ) 
        1•2 years ago

        Yeah, this just looks like optimizations to the Python codebase. Surprise surprise, Python is perfectly capable of large gains, at least up to a point. Of course, it’s still not going to be on the same level as Rust or Go.

    •  rhymepurple   ( @rhymepurple@lemmy.ml ) 
      6•2 years ago

      Dendrite is listed in the post - https://matrix.org/blog/2022/08/15/the-matrix-summer-special-2022#dendrite--p2p

      Dendrite plays an important role in our future strategy as it is also the homeserver implementation used for embedded homeservers, P2P development and experimentation. In addition to being able to scale up, we have also successfully scaled down, with the Element P2P demos proving that an embedded Dendrite homeserver can run comfortably on an iOS or Android device.

      I didn’t realize that Dendrite was planned to be used for P2P. I thought it was just another option you had to host a homeserver. That makes this a bit more exciting.

    •  snek_boi   ( @snek_boi@lemmy.ml ) OP
      2•2 years ago

      I agree that Electron is a bottleneck. That’s something they’ll have to deal with. However, there’s a small difference between what this post is saying and what you’re saying: “24x - 1400x fafster depending on what you’re measuring” is quite different to “[the changes are] not really helpful”. Regardless, I’m glad to see that they’re embracing Rust in some way, distancing themselves from javascript. I hope the SDK will be good enough for a bustling ecosystem of efficient clients (and servers!). I’m also glad that people like you and I are making it clear that we value the reduction of sludge, we value efficiency and therefore inclusion for everyone, including those who have devices that aren’t that powerful.