I know! Like it’s annoying. If a question asks something like "who’s the worst person " there’s always some Donald trump comment. Like I came here for fun man
This user seems to have been banned from the instance for this comment with the reason “No trumpites allowed”. Could I get some clarification on how this decision is made? As far as I can tell, it was a totally arbitrary decision with no basis in the code of conduct. For that matter, they are not necessarily a Trump fan, since many people simply dislike how Trump-centric political discourse has become.
I know! Like it’s annoying. If a question asks something like "who’s the worst person " there’s always some Donald trump comment. Like I came here for fun man
I would urge anyone on the verge of quitting Lemmy due to this to check out either beehaw.org or sopuli.xyz. There’s a (still small but) active effort in providing general instances and contributing general content in a less politically hostile environment.
*Shameless plug here* The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation
it will turn into a space full of people seething about communists.
Building a community on being against something inevitably results in that community’s identity being hate for another thing.
To be clear, as an admin of beehaw, we are not explicitly against any ideologies. We do, however, have a clear guiding principle of being nice to each other. Spreading hate and degrading other users are not examples of nice behavior and are not allowed on our platform.
Painting us as ‘against communists’ just because we’ve blocked an instance which does nothing to prevent or discourage specific kinds of speech which are anything but nice, is unfair. We’re not narcissistic enough to believe we’re building the future of community on the internet but we do believe that we are doing something fundamentally different, by centering the kind of behavior we’d like to see and trying to deconstruct the idea of easily subverted rules (too much focus on the letter of law and not enough focus on the spirit of the law).
I have no interest in being called a liberal as a slur or by being told who I support when you’ve made no attempt to learn anything about me. This is precisely the kind of behavior we do not tolerate on Beehaw - you have a bone to pick with a certain kind of individual and you’re taking it out on me without understanding the first thing about me. For the record, I think Biden is doing a terrible job and I’m an anarchist.
This isn’t tone policing in the slightest, but I do not have the time to explain or iterate on the nuances relevant here when you’re already painting us with broad strokes. Have a wonderful day.
In my opinion, the UI doesn’t help. It just looks bad to my eyes. Everything is too big and screaming at me. I feel anxious when coming to this site, which sounds weird but ya…
More like if you dont like the 4 prolific posters’ personal take on communism. Lemmygrad gets so much hate because a few peoplewithj nothing better to do post 80% of the political content. Every collective (reddit) have their hive minds but Lemmygrad is like a small town church that prescribes exactly what you’re supposed to see and think. It’s pretty gross.
Lemmygrad gets “hate” because we’re one of the most active instances and liberals cannot stand that communists are not only allowed to talk about communism, but that they actually get attention and activity. Deal with it.
Maybe that’s why you hate it but my annoyance is more at people who reflexively feel they win every argument by calling the other person a liberal because they don’t believe that the CCP is a corruption-free bastion of good will and a perfect example for the world to follow.
You can be a communist and still legitimately criticize the CCP though you wouldn’t know it from the 4 people posting all the articles and leading every discussion at Lemmygrad
Ehh… I just realized I don’t care. I was thinking about how sad it is that people post so prolifically and emphatically to the same 15 people while believing that they’re making a difference and fighting the good fight. Then I realized that arguing with them is equally as pointless. I mean this is the biggest thread I’ve ever seen on Lemmy and it’s about why it’s so unsuccessful. If people want to have a tiny club where they dictate their specific flavor of communism and call everyone else is a liberal, go for it. I’d call it an echo chamber but it’s too small - echoes need some space to generate. Lemmygrad is tiny little groups of people congratulating each other on believing the exact same thing and being obnoxiously insufferable to anyone whose opinions only match 98%. You’re cosplay revolutionaries. You change nothing and inspire no one but you sure feel like badasses while regurgitating the same lines to each other.
Is lemmy like or the same thing as mastodon? Like ok, I LOVED reddit. However there are so many crazy, Whitney, and totalitarian moderators who shut you down for defending your position or saying anything that goes against the echo chamber. I always had this ‘feeling’ of pressure to watch what I say. So at that point, it kills the experience. If I say you’re an ass kisser, I’m permanently banned? How can anyone last on there? The internet is the wild west, you should be able to say what you want
It’s a weird question. Like ‘are grapes like oranges’.
Mastodon is a federated (‘Fediverse’ due to use of ActivityPub protocol) microblogging (think twitter) software, same with Pleroma and some others. Admins can host their own website and set their own rules, those websites can interact with other sites.
Lemmy is also a federated (Fediverse) software, but it’s a link aggregator (think reddit). We’re on the lemmy.ml instance, which has its own topic and rules. There are some other ones that aim to be more liberal, and a few that try to be ‘free speech’, but are inevitably flooded by its own echo chamber of the kind of people other places don’t want around.
The internet is the wild west
Yes*. Although not each site on that net wants to be wild. If I’m having a serious discussion on a site where that’s expected (like a science topic forum), why should we tolerate someone with no idea what they’re talking about spamming unconstructive rambling about them hating us? So you inevitably do get communities and social circles that do make restrictions and enforce them in order to function, even on alleged ‘free speech’ sites. It’s all about finding the right sites, rather than expecting every site to have to listen to everything.
As one of the moderators on a subreddit with a tight, strongly enforced civility policy, it really is one of the few things keeping the sub from chaos. So much of political discourse these days is either in echo chambers or has degraded discourse. Sure you can say whatever, but the whatever slowly becomes worth less. We’ve been told by multiple users that the culture our rules foster has made it so that the users have a place to have serious political discussions with a broad range of people in a way that they haven’t in a long time. That’s important because many people have given up on political discussions with people who aren’t like-minded.
Alternatively, I’ll put it this way: it’s possible to thoroughly discuss a political matter without touching personal insults. When there is nothing stopping personal insults, Internet discussions tend to be “won” by the trolliest trolls and the loudest yellers, not the best ideas. The people with the best ideas give up as they get drowned out.
I hope at some point regular users like you would help us to churn out enough content for the whole day. So far, thank you for your post, don’t forget to explore other instances and global feed.
Instance is a website running Lemmy. Most of such websites connected with each other in such way so users can chat and see posts without reregistering on each separate instance. That’s how I (registered on beehaw.org) can see your posts and chat with you.
I don’t mind a naughty instance, it’s easy to block. Just don’t start mixing regular content with NSFW on the same server, be it sexy or gory. It would be a nightmare to moderate federation for regular instances and it would be so much easier to just block the whole server.
I don’t even think it would be too bad to mix it on a server since users have the possibilities to block whole communities (in contrast to servers which can only be done by admins for all users). Though I find your concern regarding moderation relatable. Maybe a feature for the admin panel would be nice where you can specify comminities/servers that are not shown in the All timeline or where all posts are marked as NSFW by default (if there is not such a feature yet)
There is porn that is legal in one country but illegal in another. And there are people that don’t want to host porn on their servers for other reasons.
Afaik only text is replicated and images are only hosted at the server (more specifically the pictrs instance) where it was uploaded. However, I don’t know about the legal implications of linking to possibly illegal content.
Congratulations, keep up the good work. One day you’ll run a custom operating system on your phone and your own social network on the internet if you want. :D
Competition, reputation and federation. In essence, retention.
Competition
There’s a ton of social news aggregators out there and most of them are much better at advertising their site than the entire lemmyverse together.
Reputation
Lemmy has a reputation among many as a far left, for some - extremist platform. A large mastodon user that boosts accounts actively warned about Lemmy in a pretty bad way a while back. The other day a public representative for a company withdrew their community the same day they created it due to the public backlash.
Federation
It’s difficult to grasp how federation, and particularly lemmy federation works for people unfamiliar with the concept. They might get a wrong impression of the lemmyverse after visiting just one instance, not realizing it’s only a part of it. Or they could be stuck on an instance with few posts that interests them.
Lemmy is a software our instances are running on. Here are some instances:
Lemmygrad is far left, communist instance, expressing pro US, against Russia and pro Ukraine position will swiftly get you banned
Lenny.ml (where you are registered) is under strong influence of lemmygrad. Happens mostly with a little help of an admin who supports lemmygrad. Although it has fair share of non communists who are slowly realising my previous sentence.
Wolfballs is right wing instance.
Almost any other instance is much less directed towards politics, but ideologically either centrist, leftist or apolitical at all.
What makes you suggest that an admin is the cause of the cross-influence? They’re, by far, the two biggest federated instances, and both explicitly “leftist” (which, in their context, means socialist). Of course there will be many users coming across and influencing the posts.
Clearly pointing to this information will get me banned as it was the last time. So I’ll just invite you to take note of this possibility and keep your eyes open.
About a week ago Bitwarden created an official community on the instance sopuli. But now it seems the community has been removed by Bitwarden due to public backlash.
I know, it really saddened me. We need to discuss these things, work together to change the federated culture and become attractive to new users. But it feels like everywhere I look, people either want to compete directly or they can’t see the big picture.
we had to remove the Bitwarden instance for the time being, to review the flood of responses coming in to us from the community regarding information about the purpose behind Lemmy via the creators
What the heck? It’s free software and a specific detail about free software is that it may be used for any purpose regardless of the authors ideas. That’s some serious fucked up witch hunt.
it may be used for any purpose regardless of the authors ideas.
To be honest, I haven’t seen the developers put any demands or anything on what people use it for. Just look at Wolfballs and how it’s on https://join-lemmy.org/instances despite their home server blocking them. I think that’s very respectable.
That’s some serious fucked up witch hunt.
I don’t think so. It’s just that a bad reputation lasts a long time, and the lemmy platform have had some rowdy representation for a while. Again, the developers have taken sensible steps when they started promoting Sopuli and Beehaw on the join-lemmy page, two seemingly wholesome instances that welcomes anyone.
Lemmy is newer than Reddit. Reddit has been up for over 15 years.
Lemmy is a Reddit clone but less well known, thus, whatever advantages it has over Reddit, you can pretty much assume anyone who comes to Lemmy is someone who was on Reddit and saw some reason to leave. Or even still uses Reddit but is trying their hand here too. At least for now.
Thus, the Lemmy userbase will, at least within the near future, be a small subset of current or former Redditors.
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Just move to another instance or subscribe to politically neutral topics.
Then go subscribe to non-political content and browse “Subscribed”.
https://welcome.nrsk.no/communities/ ;)
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lol did you even try the link?
I browse subscribed communities and don’t experience this.
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I just block the accounts that spam that kind of stuff, it’s not like I’m gonna engage with them anyway so…
I know! Like it’s annoying. If a question asks something like "who’s the worst person " there’s always some Donald trump comment. Like I came here for fun man
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This user seems to have been banned from the instance for this comment with the reason “No trumpites allowed”. Could I get some clarification on how this decision is made? As far as I can tell, it was a totally arbitrary decision with no basis in the code of conduct. For that matter, they are not necessarily a Trump fan, since many people simply dislike how Trump-centric political discourse has become.
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Because the admins here are thin-skinned children who do not practice what they preach.
yeah it’s weird, they didn’t even get a warning? What kind of moderation is that??
Also yeah the comment is somewhat ambiguous I think.
So subrscribe to communities that are about fun :)
I know! Like it’s annoying. If a question asks something like "who’s the worst person " there’s always some Donald trump comment. Like I came here for fun man
I would urge anyone on the verge of quitting Lemmy due to this to check out either beehaw.org or sopuli.xyz. There’s a (still small but) active effort in providing general instances and contributing general content in a less politically hostile environment.
*Shameless plug here* The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation
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let’s see your proofs, young man
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To be clear, as an admin of beehaw, we are not explicitly against any ideologies. We do, however, have a clear guiding principle of being nice to each other. Spreading hate and degrading other users are not examples of nice behavior and are not allowed on our platform.
Painting us as ‘against communists’ just because we’ve blocked an instance which does nothing to prevent or discourage specific kinds of speech which are anything but nice, is unfair. We’re not narcissistic enough to believe we’re building the future of community on the internet but we do believe that we are doing something fundamentally different, by centering the kind of behavior we’d like to see and trying to deconstruct the idea of easily subverted rules (too much focus on the letter of law and not enough focus on the spirit of the law).
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I have no interest in being called a liberal as a slur or by being told who I support when you’ve made no attempt to learn anything about me. This is precisely the kind of behavior we do not tolerate on Beehaw - you have a bone to pick with a certain kind of individual and you’re taking it out on me without understanding the first thing about me. For the record, I think Biden is doing a terrible job and I’m an anarchist.
This isn’t tone policing in the slightest, but I do not have the time to explain or iterate on the nuances relevant here when you’re already painting us with broad strokes. Have a wonderful day.
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Yeah, I started using Discord more tbh.
In my opinion, the UI doesn’t help. It just looks bad to my eyes. Everything is too big and screaming at me. I feel anxious when coming to this site, which sounds weird but ya…
have you tried different themes? I really like the lemmy look.
For the same reason a lot of people prefer cities over towns.
Very nice analogy
Social media is “winner takes all”. People go to where other people are. It’s very hard to break out of that.
filter by All, but if you don’t like communism, do not do that
More like if you dont like the 4 prolific posters’ personal take on communism. Lemmygrad gets so much hate because a few peoplewithj nothing better to do post 80% of the political content. Every collective (reddit) have their hive minds but Lemmygrad is like a small town church that prescribes exactly what you’re supposed to see and think. It’s pretty gross.
Lemmygrad gets “hate” because we’re one of the most active instances and liberals cannot stand that communists are not only allowed to talk about communism, but that they actually get attention and activity. Deal with it.
Maybe that’s why you hate it but my annoyance is more at people who reflexively feel they win every argument by calling the other person a liberal because they don’t believe that the CCP is a corruption-free bastion of good will and a perfect example for the world to follow.
You can be a communist and still legitimately criticize the CCP though you wouldn’t know it from the 4 people posting all the articles and leading every discussion at Lemmygrad
Ehh… I just realized I don’t care. I was thinking about how sad it is that people post so prolifically and emphatically to the same 15 people while believing that they’re making a difference and fighting the good fight. Then I realized that arguing with them is equally as pointless. I mean this is the biggest thread I’ve ever seen on Lemmy and it’s about why it’s so unsuccessful. If people want to have a tiny club where they dictate their specific flavor of communism and call everyone else is a liberal, go for it. I’d call it an echo chamber but it’s too small - echoes need some space to generate. Lemmygrad is tiny little groups of people congratulating each other on believing the exact same thing and being obnoxiously insufferable to anyone whose opinions only match 98%. You’re cosplay revolutionaries. You change nothing and inspire no one but you sure feel like badasses while regurgitating the same lines to each other.
I’m out
This should be posted on the main page; it would help resolve people’s culture shock after leaving walled media gardens
exactly
All instances (mostly lemmy and lemmygrad) are experiencing a steady increase in usership.
Is lemmy like or the same thing as mastodon? Like ok, I LOVED reddit. However there are so many crazy, Whitney, and totalitarian moderators who shut you down for defending your position or saying anything that goes against the echo chamber. I always had this ‘feeling’ of pressure to watch what I say. So at that point, it kills the experience. If I say you’re an ass kisser, I’m permanently banned? How can anyone last on there? The internet is the wild west, you should be able to say what you want
It’s a weird question. Like ‘are grapes like oranges’.
Mastodon is a federated (‘Fediverse’ due to use of ActivityPub protocol) microblogging (think twitter) software, same with Pleroma and some others. Admins can host their own website and set their own rules, those websites can interact with other sites.
Lemmy is also a federated (Fediverse) software, but it’s a link aggregator (think reddit). We’re on the lemmy.ml instance, which has its own topic and rules. There are some other ones that aim to be more liberal, and a few that try to be ‘free speech’, but are inevitably flooded by its own echo chamber of the kind of people other places don’t want around.
Yes*. Although not each site on that net wants to be wild. If I’m having a serious discussion on a site where that’s expected (like a science topic forum), why should we tolerate someone with no idea what they’re talking about spamming unconstructive rambling about them hating us? So you inevitably do get communities and social circles that do make restrictions and enforce them in order to function, even on alleged ‘free speech’ sites. It’s all about finding the right sites, rather than expecting every site to have to listen to everything.
As one of the moderators on a subreddit with a tight, strongly enforced civility policy, it really is one of the few things keeping the sub from chaos. So much of political discourse these days is either in echo chambers or has degraded discourse. Sure you can say whatever, but the whatever slowly becomes worth less. We’ve been told by multiple users that the culture our rules foster has made it so that the users have a place to have serious political discussions with a broad range of people in a way that they haven’t in a long time. That’s important because many people have given up on political discussions with people who aren’t like-minded.
Alternatively, I’ll put it this way: it’s possible to thoroughly discuss a political matter without touching personal insults. When there is nothing stopping personal insults, Internet discussions tend to be “won” by the trolliest trolls and the loudest yellers, not the best ideas. The people with the best ideas give up as they get drowned out.
I hope at some point regular users like you would help us to churn out enough content for the whole day. So far, thank you for your post, don’t forget to explore other instances and global feed.
Thank you. You made my day :'D I’m definitely going to
To be honest Reddit shows more tits and big asses than Lemmy. Maybe people have some issue to leave that Paradise. 🤭
Is there porn on here too?
lemmy.ml has a no-porn rule, I don’t know about the other ones but I haven’t seen a porn community yet.
Damn, we need an NSFW instance.
How would you make one? What exactly is an instance? I think a dm or chat room and voice chat room sound good to
Instance is a website running Lemmy. Most of such websites connected with each other in such way so users can chat and see posts without reregistering on each separate instance. That’s how I (registered on beehaw.org) can see your posts and chat with you.
I don’t mind a naughty instance, it’s easy to block. Just don’t start mixing regular content with NSFW on the same server, be it sexy or gory. It would be a nightmare to moderate federation for regular instances and it would be so much easier to just block the whole server.
I don’t even think it would be too bad to mix it on a server since users have the possibilities to block whole communities (in contrast to servers which can only be done by admins for all users). Though I find your concern regarding moderation relatable. Maybe a feature for the admin panel would be nice where you can specify comminities/servers that are not shown in the All timeline or where all posts are marked as NSFW by default (if there is not such a feature yet)
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porn isn’t illegal though?
There is porn that is legal in one country but illegal in another. And there are people that don’t want to host porn on their servers for other reasons.
Afaik only text is replicated and images are only hosted at the server (more specifically the pictrs instance) where it was uploaded. However, I don’t know about the legal implications of linking to possibly illegal content.
but the same reasoning works for a lot of other content (about pirating, privacy, hacking tools etc).
I leaved Google and Reddit in last two days. Continue my devalleyzation (Silicon Valley).
What Browser do you use now?
Firefox is best!
Facts
And searx for searching.
Congratulations, keep up the good work. One day you’ll run a custom operating system on your phone and your own social network on the internet if you want. :D
Yeah personally I have enjoyed grapheneos
Just reading this gives me a happy rush
Chicken or the egg problem. Many people want a lot of (quality) content and diverse content comes from many people.
Competition, reputation and federation. In essence, retention.
There’s a ton of social news aggregators out there and most of them are much better at advertising their site than the entire lemmyverse together.
Lemmy has a reputation among many as a far left, for some - extremist platform. A large mastodon user that boosts accounts actively warned about Lemmy in a pretty bad way a while back. The other day a public representative for a company withdrew their community the same day they created it due to the public backlash.
It’s difficult to grasp how federation, and particularly lemmy federation works for people unfamiliar with the concept. They might get a wrong impression of the lemmyverse after visiting just one instance, not realizing it’s only a part of it. Or they could be stuck on an instance with few posts that interests them.
Wait, so lemmy is far left? Please tell me it’s not
It is, most innovation is made by people who want progression in the world.
Lemmy is a software our instances are running on. Here are some instances:
Lemmygrad is far left, communist instance, expressing pro US, against Russia and pro Ukraine position will swiftly get you banned
Lenny.ml (where you are registered) is under strong influence of lemmygrad. Happens mostly with a little help of an admin who supports lemmygrad. Although it has fair share of non communists who are slowly realising my previous sentence.
Wolfballs is right wing instance.
Almost any other instance is much less directed towards politics, but ideologically either centrist, leftist or apolitical at all.
What makes you suggest that an admin is the cause of the cross-influence? They’re, by far, the two biggest federated instances, and both explicitly “leftist” (which, in their context, means socialist). Of course there will be many users coming across and influencing the posts.
Clearly pointing to this information will get me banned as it was the last time. So I’ll just invite you to take note of this possibility and keep your eyes open.
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Thank you for the correction, I respect that
This was probably Bitwarden on the Sopuli instance right? Could you perhaps share a link discussing this in detail?
wait What happened?
About a week ago Bitwarden created an official community on the instance sopuli. But now it seems the community has been removed by Bitwarden due to public backlash.
Why
If youre looking for a more general purpose instance, try out beehaw.org
https://sopuli.xyz/post/256669
Such a shame…
I was even excited to see them join a community as small as ours.
I know, it really saddened me. We need to discuss these things, work together to change the federated culture and become attractive to new users. But it feels like everywhere I look, people either want to compete directly or they can’t see the big picture.
What the heck? It’s free software and a specific detail about free software is that it may be used for any purpose regardless of the authors ideas. That’s some serious fucked up witch hunt.
@Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml Sorry, can’t reply directly. Check out these two links:
https://lemmy.ml/post/78808
https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379
I remember that post and ooof the cringe was hardcore. I don’t understand how people belived that shit.
Its all right! Thank you for getting this for me!
god some of them read like bots on that mastodon thread.
what happened to them? I never heard about this.
To be honest, I haven’t seen the developers put any demands or anything on what people use it for. Just look at Wolfballs and how it’s on https://join-lemmy.org/instances despite their home server blocking them. I think that’s very respectable.
I don’t think so. It’s just that a bad reputation lasts a long time, and the lemmy platform have had some rowdy representation for a while. Again, the developers have taken sensible steps when they started promoting Sopuli and Beehaw on the join-lemmy page, two seemingly wholesome instances that welcomes anyone.